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actually based on who is competing at nationals, 4/6 of Eteri's contenders are healthy- Kamila, Anna, Maiia and Sasha. nice try.
Sasha? Broken foot, withdrawn from NHK Sasha? At best she is working towards being healthy again, but until we see her busting out multiple quads at Nationals, she's on the injured list.

Obviously I hope Sasha does blow everyone away next week. She is now carrying all my hopes for the Olympic team. I dont care who she knocks out, but the ladies FS event needs her!
 
Uh changing the subject...

If the age limit was increased, how would it affect the state of the Russian ladies scene? Who would dominate seniors and juniors?

If it's a straight jump to 17, I assume current 15 y/o seniors would get to stay in seniors. But how would this affect the current juniors? Do people think Akatieva would still dominate?

If it's a staggered increase to 17, ie next year it's 16 then the year after it's 17, who would be the new seniors then?
I wouldnt worry about since I cant imagine a world in which this change happened. But I think if they pushed off one year at a time for 2 years that would essentially mean just nobody new enters the senior scene for 2 years, because the one who are 15 now will continue to be at the youngest allowed age.
 
Sasha? Broken foot, withdrawn from NHK Sasha? At best she is working towards being healthy again, but until we see her busting out multiple quads at Nationals, she's on the injured list.

Obviously I hope Sasha does blow everyone away next week. She is now carrying all my hopes for the Olympic team. I dont care who she knocks out, but the ladies FS event needs her!
based on the lack of information on sasha's injury and recovery, and since we know she is training and planning to compete at nationals, i'm not counting her as actively injured. NHK will have been 6 weeks ago by nationals.
 
Sasha? Broken foot, withdrawn from NHK Sasha? At best she is working towards being healthy again, but until we see her busting out multiple quads at Nationals, she's on the injured list.

Obviously I hope Sasha does blow everyone away next week. She is now carrying all my hopes for the Olympic team. I dont care who she knocks out, but the ladies FS event needs her!
Sasha's withdrawal from the NHK was so "last minute" that even sport websides changed the story several times during the day of departure. It wasn't like she had a plaster on her leg, it was doctor's recommendation when she was packed for the flight already. And that was a month ago already. We know she's attending trainings and preparing for nationals and nothing about what wishful thinking rumors say.
 
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Uh changing the subject...

If the age limit was increased, how would it affect the state of the Russian ladies scene? Who would dominate seniors and juniors?

If it's a straight jump to 17, I assume current 15 y/o seniors would get to stay in seniors. But how would this affect the current juniors? Do people think Akatieva would still dominate?

If it's a staggered increase to 17, ie next year it's 16 then the year after it's 17, who would be the new seniors then?
I think, if the change would be accepted, the rule won’t come into effect immediately. Like you mention, they will probably lay out a plan on how and when exactly these changes will apply.
I don’t think anyone, who’s already senior, will be forced back into junior ranks.

I am personally fine if it is accepted, equally fine if it’s not. I think for many current seniors it will be a big relief, because often due to insane competition within Russia, girls are forced to run a marathon with a speed they would run a sprint. So it will definitely give them a little break, which I think is a good thing. So I would expect for Daria, Kamila, Maiia, Anna, Aliona, Sasha, Anna F., Ksenia S. this would be a bit of a time, where they could slow down and not be threatened by the likes of Sofia Akatieva and Veronica Zhilina. However Samodelkina, Petrosian and Muravyova all would probably still manage to make it into seniors before changes will start applying.

I think the consequences on the junior ranks are even more interesting to me. The junior age category now will be 4 years, which is a lot of time. Will they keep it like that, or make another age category from 15 to 17?
 
based on the lack of information on sasha's injury and recovery, and since we know she is training and planning to compete at nationals, i'm not counting her as actively injured. NHK will have been 6 weeks ago by nationals.
The only publicly available recovery plan for Sasha, from an unrelated trauma doctor, included an immediate surgery and 2-3 months of an off-ice recovery before going back to skating. In the world of Quads it efficiency means the career end.
 
The only publicly available recovery plan for Sasha, from an unrelated trauma doctor, included an immediate surgery and 2-3 months of an off-ice recovery before going back to skating. In the world of Quads it efficiency means the career end.

Ah, yes, a classic. Unrelated doctors making diagnoses for patients they‘ve never even set eyes on, let alone examined. Gotta love the professionalism.
 
Anybody saw Kamila's new interview ?
https://fs-gossips.com/kamila-valie...ore-better-and-it-will-lead-to-good-attempts/

What is your philosophy, motto?

Kamila Valieva: Just work, work a lot, work to the limit, more, better and it will lead to good attempts. And then your task is to transfer everything to the ice. As Irina Viner says: “If they said no, then we will say yes.”


3 things I take away from this:

- Kamila sounds tough. Much unlike the deer in the headlights look she gives off.
- this is truly the essence of Eteri's training methods and her entire philosophy, these girls are well indoctrinated.
- quoting and admiring Irina Viner there. Anyone who knows who that woman is and/or follows rythmic gymnastics will have their stomach turn when reading that. It's no surprise however, actually makes perfect sense. God bless..
 
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I think, if the change would be accepted, the rule won’t come into effect immediately. Like you mention, they will probably lay out a plan on how and when exactly these changes will apply.
I don’t think anyone, who’s already senior, will be forced back into junior ranks.

I am personally fine if it is accepted, equally fine if it’s not. I think for many current seniors it will be a big relief, because often due to insane competition within Russia, girls are forced to run a marathon with a speed they would run a sprint. So it will definitely give them a little break, which I think is a good thing. So I would expect for Daria, Kamila, Maiia, Anna, Aliona, Sasha, Anna F., Ksenia S. this would be a bit of a time, where they could slow down and not be threatened by the likes of Sofia Akatieva and Veronica Zhilina. However Samodelkina, Petrosian and Muravyova all would probably still manage to make it into seniors before changes will start applying.

I think the consequences on the junior ranks are even more interesting to me. The junior age category now will be 4 years, which is a lot of time. Will they keep it like that, or make another age category from 15 to 17?
Is Anna Frolova going to switch countries? She hasn't competed in a long time.

I can't see the notion passing for 17 but it might do if they reduced it to 16. It would be interesting to see how it affects things regardless.

If it was 17 though, Zhilina and Akatieva would only debut in seniors in the Olympic year :eek:

Are there no more promising 15/16 year old juniors except for Frolova?
 
every single one of Eteri’s Olympic contenders is injured except Kamila. But sure jan:)
Kamila Maya Anna are all uninjured. Anna had the thing with her neck but she's fine now or as fine as any elite athlete can be.

However if the team does end up being Kamila Maya Anna it will be total proof that the Olympics are now about who the best 15-year-olds are, not who are the most talented skaters. Sasha and Aliona were way better at 15 than Maya is but they are past the peak age now at 17/18 which is sad. Hopefully Liza makes the team so that conversation doesn't come up at least until 2026, because I'm sure whoever wins there will be some 15-year-old who was not as good as Valieva or Akatieva when they were 15.
 
Is Anna Frolova going to switch countries? She hasn't competed in a long time.
No one knows, there are lots of rumors but nothing confirmed. Since she competed at nationals last year and was at junior test skates this year though it would take at least a year. Talalaikina transfer was denied this season because she competed at Rusnats 20-21, she will have to try again in summer 2022. Frolova probably the same.
I can't see the notion passing for 17 but it might do if they reduced it to 16. It would be interesting to see how it affects things regardless.
It would probably make a big difference, in gymnastics the average age has shot way up more than one year since they upped the age to 16 (which is only 1/2 a year older because gymnastics cutoff day is Jan 1 not July 1). Of the 16 individual medalists in women's artistic + rhythmic gymnastics in Tokyo Olympics, 15/16 were at least 18 years old and 12/16 were over 20 years old.
If it was 17 though, Zhilina and Akatieva would only debut in seniors in the Olympic year :eek:

Are there no more promising 15/16 year old juniors except for Frolova?
Muravyeva is 15. Tsibinova if you count her as a junior because she did junior nationals last year is 16. Besides them the oldest juniors are 14 and 10 months - Zinina and Samodelkina. Petrosyan and Gorbacheva and Lagutova are 14 and a half. The rest of the 15/16 year. olds moved to seniors or switched to pairs/dance or retired except one - Sviridenko will get into nationals when Usacheva officially withdraws, she's 15 and arguably was snubbed of JGP spot since Kulikova and Zakharova didn't even compete at junior nationals last year. But she's not as good this season as last and she's not skating at junior nats this year.
 
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I wonder if it's the pandemic that messed up their training/fitness/routine etc

It's just bizzare the number of athletes who are injured. I love Rika and Bradie. Never thought they'd both be taken out at the same time, in the same season. Now add them plus the string of other injuries and I'm going to blame the damn pandemic.

It's never been this bad with people dropping left and right surely?

ETA: Or is it the harder jumps? Even Bradie was trying the 3A. I wonder if that's what's knocking them all out? In any case it's very disheartening. I'm sad I won't get to watch them but even more sad for their sakes. I just can't imagine all that work, the talent, all those hopes and dreams being trampled on.
In a broad sense, the pandemic may have a lot to do with it. In sports medicine it’s well known that athletes who’ve taken a break are far more prone to injury. This is especially true in contact sports. Football players always see a spate of injuries at the beginning of the season as they return from just regular off season conditioning to actual contact sport because you lose muscle memory, your body isn’t used to the daily impacts anymore, etc.

In general this is why the pre-season is so long. The longer a break you take the more you need to slowly ease into your training. One week off you can probably return with two days of recovery to full capacity, but if you take off a month you’ll need much longer even if physically you could get to full strength in a week, just because you need to regain the ability to play not just with force but to allow the body to innately readjust to the high strain.

When you send girls home to train by themselves without their normal equipment this is more impactful. It’s probably less so for the Russians because they weren’t so strict and established their own camps while most of the world was still in quarantine.

Americans were likely hurt more by this. California had obscenely strict quarantine rules. Alysa couldn’t even get ice time, even alone, for a while, all gyms were closed, and for a while they even prohibited outdoor fitness activities. Though I’m not sure a 14 year old girl would be running alone in Oakland, you can still see my point.

The Japanese likewise had really strict rules. I mean Rika hasn’t even made it home in how long because of them, right?

It might be in part to learning new elements but I’m sure this is still some trickle down of massive and sudden training routine changes in 2020.
 
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Kamila Maya Anna are all uninjured. Anna had the thing with her neck but she's fine now or as fine as any elite athlete can be.

However if the team does end up being Kamila Maya Anna it will be total proof that the Olympics are now about who the best 15-year-olds are, not who are the most talented skaters. Sasha and Aliona were way better at 15 than Maya is but they are past the peak age now at 17/18 which is sad. Hopefully Liza makes the team so that conversation doesn't come up at least until 2026, because I'm sure whoever wins there will be some 15-year-old who was not as good as Valieva or Akatieva when they were 15.
Valieva is better than any of the 3A when they were 15. Trusova and Shcherbakova in their 17s are clearly better than Khromykh and Usacheva.
I think talent is much more important than age in this case.
 
Kamila Maya Anna are all uninjured. Anna had the thing with her neck but she's fine now or as fine as any elite athlete can be.

However if the team does end up being Kamila Maya Anna it will be total proof that the Olympics are now about who the best 15-year-olds are, not who are the most talented skaters. Sasha and Aliona were way better at 15 than Maya is but they are past the peak age now at 17/18 which is sad. Hopefully Liza makes the team so that conversation doesn't come up at least until 2026, because I'm sure whoever wins there will be some 15-year-old who was not as good as Valieva or Akatieva when they were 15.

unless there are any new surprises, the results of the championship will not yet give an unambiguous answer to the question of who exactly will become the third member of the Olympic team. And yet I would venture to suggest that officials will choose Trusova. Of course, under certain conditions, she can become the second, but the likelihood of this is small.
 
unless there are any new surprises, the results of the championship will not yet give an unambiguous answer to the question of who exactly will become the third member of the Olympic team. And yet I would venture to suggest that officials will choose Trusova. Of course, under certain conditions, she can become the second, but the likelihood of this is small.
If it is not decided and Sasha and Liza are close I think what is most likely is that they send Sasha to Euros and then select Liza if Sasha splats. Maia also has a chance with Aliona out now, and if she lands her quads and presents the FS the way she does the SP could also overtake Liza.
 
Anybody saw Kamila's new interview ?
https://fs-gossips.com/kamila-valie...ore-better-and-it-will-lead-to-good-attempts/

What is your philosophy, motto?

Kamila Valieva: Just work, work a lot, work to the limit, more, better and it will lead to good attempts. And then your task is to transfer everything to the ice. As Irina Viner says: “If they said no, then we will say yes.”

3 things I take away from this:

- Kamila sounds tough. Much unlike the deer in the headlights look she gives off.
- this is truly the essence of Eteri's training methods and her entire philosophy, these girls are well indoctrinated.
- quoting and admiring Irina Viner there. Anyone who knows who that woman is and/or follows rythmic gymnastics will have their stomach turn when reading that. It's no surprise however, actually makes perfect sense. God bless..
Right? The Viner quote--oh GAWD. That woman literally curses at her athletes every two seconds...
 
Honestly, dunno about others, but Olympics without Trusova just won’t feel like Olympics to me. 🤷‍♀️ Obviously, if she is recovered enough from her injury. She makes women’s skating exciting. I love Valieva too, and fully expect her to be the champion, but Trusova has the unique ability to liven the competition 😊 and her programs are bold and bright vs the usual. Dunno if it’s human nature, but it’s my nature to love and ‘get’ flawed and fighting tooth and nail more than perfect.
 
If it is not decided and Sasha and Liza are close I think what is most likely is that they send Sasha to Euros and then select Liza if Sasha splats. Maia also has a chance with Aliona out now, and if she lands her quads and presents the FS the way she does the SP could also overtake Liza.
the reason for doubts about Sasha is still the same - lack of stability. Perhaps she needs to remember the experience of last year, when she showed a clean performance in which there were only two quads, but which, nevertheless, could have brought gold in the European Championships.
 
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