2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating
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Alysa's SP is wonderful and she's consistently scored well with it, it would be a bizarre decision to scrap it and start over (or worse, go back to an older lesser program).
I'm also really worried and angry that Bradie's team seems to be prioritizing "Beijing or bust" over Bradie's actual long-term health. If it's touch-and-go whether Bradie can actually get through her programs in Nashville then I'm sorry but she should not be in the conversation for the Olympic team, full-stop. Forcing herself to skate on a still injured foot when the problem hasn't even been diagnosed (!!!) is a recipe for disaster, and if she can barely do it in January the odds are she aggravates her foot so she can't do it in February and possibly even winds up with permanent chronic pain. If the situation is anywhere near as bad as it sounds in that interview, Bradie should not be competing.
Edit: I re-read the article and see that there have been "many" diagnosis, so I retract the bit about not being diagnosed though it is concerning that Bradie hasn't received consistent diagnosis by her account/
I'm also really worried and angry that Bradie's team seems to be prioritizing "Beijing or bust" over Bradie's actual long-term health. If it's touch-and-go whether Bradie can actually get through her programs in Nashville then I'm sorry but she should not be in the conversation for the Olympic team, full-stop. Forcing herself to skate on a still injured foot when the problem hasn't even been diagnosed (!!!) is a recipe for disaster, and if she can barely do it in January the odds are she aggravates her foot so she can't do it in February and possibly even winds up with permanent chronic pain. If the situation is anywhere near as bad as it sounds in that interview, Bradie should not be competing.
Edit: I re-read the article and see that there have been "many" diagnosis, so I retract the bit about not being diagnosed though it is concerning that Bradie hasn't received consistent diagnosis by her account/
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Well based on the latest article, they are tailoring Bradie's training to what Bradie herself feels she can handle, so there doesn't appear to be any forcing going on here. And Bradie is almost 24 years old, her mother is a nurse - I'm sure she's been given the conversation about attempting to compete with her foot injury. If she wants to make a go at it for Nationals to at least say that she tried then it's her decision to make.
Now whether the US Fed should be considering her for the team is a different story - I said earlier that based on the latest article it sounds like she is still injured - so IMO even if the hail mary at Nationals works the Fed should think long and hard about putting her on the team.
Yes let us not forget what happened to MK.
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Phil Hersh reposted the Nick Zaccardi article and added this quote from the teleconference
The lutz and flip are her most problem jumps because of the right foot takeoff pick. She said on call that she can do them regularly now. And also without pain? “On good days,” she answered.
The lutz and flip are her most problem jumps because of the right foot takeoff pick. She said on call that she can do them regularly now. And also without pain? “On good days,” she answered.
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As much as we all want Bradie to take care of that foot, I've got this suspicious feeling that she is one of those "skate on broken bones" types.
She's continuously pushed herself, was the only one to attempt a lutzloop to try and garner more points in previous seasons, tried the 3A which probably got her into this pickle. I worry but I do have mad respect for her spirit.
Sending her all the best healing vibes I can summon!!!
I still can't get over this surreal vibe that both Rika and Bradie were taken out of the Olympic season. I really can't. Those two at 4CC was the highlight of my skating year. I just cannot get over it.
She's continuously pushed herself, was the only one to attempt a lutzloop to try and garner more points in previous seasons, tried the 3A which probably got her into this pickle. I worry but I do have mad respect for her spirit.
Sending her all the best healing vibes I can summon!!!
I still can't get over this surreal vibe that both Rika and Bradie were taken out of the Olympic season. I really can't. Those two at 4CC was the highlight of my skating year. I just cannot get over it.
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To clarify, I was talking about Bradie forcing herself to compete. I didn't meant to imply anyone else was making her skate.
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Honestly, the US ladies are having such a bad season. It is making me sad that always reliable, constantly improving Bradie seems to be too injured to have a chance. ( My favorite US, Russian and Japanese ladies are all injured this year.)
Then, Alysa who I was betting on to easily win Nationals changed her coaches and her SP. ( The SP choreo was so good, why change it?). It makes me think things are going very badly. I no longer think she is a sure thing.
Karen's her old UR self with a few falls thrown in to further lower her scores.
Likely the most naturally talented jumper of the group, Amber is injured and still one of the the worst competitors I have ever seen.
Mariah, at least, seems to be improving but her technical score ceiling is low.
I'm betting on the juniors to win Nationals now. That doesn't make me happy. US ladies looked so good in 2019-2020 when Alysa, Mariah and Bradie were all doing so well. The pandemic really changed that .... I hope everyone proves me wrong at Nationals. I want to be proven wrong.
Then, Alysa who I was betting on to easily win Nationals changed her coaches and her SP. ( The SP choreo was so good, why change it?). It makes me think things are going very badly. I no longer think she is a sure thing.
Karen's her old UR self with a few falls thrown in to further lower her scores.
Likely the most naturally talented jumper of the group, Amber is injured and still one of the the worst competitors I have ever seen.
Mariah, at least, seems to be improving but her technical score ceiling is low.
I'm betting on the juniors to win Nationals now. That doesn't make me happy. US ladies looked so good in 2019-2020 when Alysa, Mariah and Bradie were all doing so well. The pandemic really changed that .... I hope everyone proves me wrong at Nationals. I want to be proven wrong.
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My post does sound that way doesn't it. But, the news about Alysa and Bradie truly makes me sad.
As I said, I hope I am wrong.
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Honestly, it isn't this. The US ladies were never going to challenge Kamila Valieva. I just feel sad that the US ladies don't seem to be able to reach their full potential due to either injuries, bad decisions, or personal struggles. Not everyone can be a champion, but hopefully everyone can skate in a way that maxes out his/ her potential. This doesn't seem to happening with the US ladies this year. I hope US nationals proves me wrong but I am keeping expectations low so that I won't be too sad if things don't improve.
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US figure skating is in such disarray because someone decided to skate to a new program. Wow. What a bummer. Are we ever going to recover from this setback?
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With all due respect, some of these recent posts are outright ludicrous. Thank god skaters make decisions based on the experienced teams they have and not random people from the internet who have never skated before in their lives.
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Perhaps copyright issue? Both SP and LP are designed and choreographed by Massimo Scali. Perhaps Massimo is very pissed off at Alysa and won't let her new team to use his work? Alysa dad doesn't handle the situation very well. I'm sure Massimo is very pissed off because he can't go to Olympics games. If it's about copyright and money issue, I won't be surprised if Alysa is "forced" to have a new LP as well.
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Choreographers don't have 'copyright' over choreography. The skaters pay for the choreo and it belongs to them. Plus, even if Massimo is angered by Alysa's leaving, he must be aware that his choreography is good and that having it viewed by millions of people at the Olympics would be only good for his reputation. It's a great program. I think it is more likely they are choreographing a program with less transitions, so Alysa will have more energy to fully rotate her jumps. This could be a smart strategy but it is so close to Nationals. It doesn't seem like a good idea and makes it appear like something is wrong.
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To be fair, this whole thing was done so close to Nationals. It’s not particularly common for a skater to switch coaches barely 2 months before an event that will decide if they compete at the Olympics or not.
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Massimo can be pissed off about the situation privately, but he has to be professional about it, if he wants to have a career. Throwing juvenile tantrum like that is self sabotage.
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Thx for clearing copyright things up. Fortunately, Alysa doesn't compete @ Russia or Japan championship. Top 5 finish @ US national should not be that hard for her. Alysa can skate to "Twinkle Twinkle little star" nursery music and still be in top 5 easily (as long as she doesn't lost 3A and 3/3). Winning title is different story though. I feel like Isabeau is going to win the title this time because she has no "Olympics" pressure.
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Yes, I definitely think Alysa will still be top 5. I just thought she would have a clear win at Nationals before ( due to the Fed likely underscoring the juniors for political reasons.. See what happened in Russia) and Bradie's injury but now I am a bit
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