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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

In order to purchase TMZ from a pharmacy, you have to have a prescription from your Doctor. Before the Doctor gives you TMZ prescription, you have to go through a series of tests to diagnose you with Angina.
I read on the forum how a person came to a pharmacy and was able to buy a substance without a prescription. He did it specifically to check.

I want to remind you of Karamzin's classic phrase "In Russia, the strictness of laws is compensated by the non-necessity of their execution"
 
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In order to purchase TMZ from a pharmacy, you have to have a prescription from your Doctor. Before the Doctor gives you TMZ prescription, you have to go through a series of tests to diagnose you with Angina.
Not in Russia, I can confirm that in Russia it is an over the counter drug that in a public eye has the status of an iHerb supplement. My friend, who is in her early 30s, got it "prescribed" (though like I said no formal prescription is needed) because she was feeling weak and exhausted after having covid-19.
 
what are you talking about???
Canada's team championship is from 2018. Canada was never a contender here. If they get a medal, I will be the first one saying they are more than lucky getting a medal... and Ted Barton is in love with Eteri :) I am very confused
Oh yeah, I meant 2018. Anyway, Canada is the champion until someone beats them. If Russia is disqualified then there is no 2022 winner and Canada will reign until 2026 by default.
 
Oh yeah, I meant 2018. Anyway, Canada is the champion until someone beats them. If Russia is disqualified then there is no 2022 winner and Canada will reign until 2026 by default.
I understand now... but normally the 2022 title would be given to USA.
 
Oh yeah, I meant 2018. Anyway, Canada is the champion until someone beats them. If Russia is disqualified then there is no 2022 winner and Canada will reign until 2026 by default.
Having no gold medal awarded for an Olympic event is extremely rare. It’s much more likely that the second place team would simply be promoted to first. Unless you also have dirt on the US and Japan that hasn't come to light yet.
 
Not neccessarily. What is now in question is the temporary suspension which regards her current start at the Olympics. They have to decide it now. All the other details will be most probably left to be decided later, after the proper investigation of the case. It will take some time, I think.
Immediately about the temporary suspension and the very outside chance that she gets the skate in the lady's competition. Then the rest will be figured out over the next several months but I would think she would probably receive some kind of suspension and then depending on the investigation the length could change. I have to think this is a one time thing with this trace evidence and it's only trace evidence of that positive urine sample and that all her other tests including at the Olympics and Europeans have been negative. But we don't know and they might want to retest everything that Europeans in the Olympics and especially Europeans because it was only a couple of weeks after Russian nationals.

Hoping all the best for KV. I'm sorry she's going through this and I think all of of us think it's not her fault.
 
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where can we speak about this then? because 99% of the comments are speculations? we cant talk about the situation in the russian ladies thread, we cant really talk in here?
 
I will try to answer your question, although I am not 100% sure in the procedure, so take it with a grain of salt. I read somewhere that they collect probes but do the thorough testing only if the athlete wins a medal. So, supposedly, the probe was collected in December but the results came now, so they didn’t know.
That may be so but it's ridiculous. To base a testing a sample on whether someone wins a medal or not is mind boggling. That's like saying well if someone who doesn't win a medal test positive that's not as bad as someone who wins a medal who test positive.

I don't know if it's true but I read somewhere that they were supposed to test the urine sample in Stockholm within 10 days of its arrival They missed that by about 6 weeks. I'm sure Russia will bring be bringing that point up to CAS.
 
That may be so but it's ridiculous. To base a testing a sample on whether someone wins a medal or not is mind boggling. That's like saying well if someone who doesn't win a medal test positive that's not as bad as someone who wins a medal who test positive.

I don't know if it's true but I read somewhere that they were supposed to test the urine sample in Stockholm within 10 days of its arrival They missed that by about 6 weeks. I'm sure Russia will bring be bringing that point up to CAS.
WADA has financial problems. It isn't funded appropriately. They can't test everyone. If all countries were interested in catching all drug cheats it would probably be better funded and could test everyone.

RUSADA selected the accredited lab. It was their responsibility to ensure the sample was processed in a timely manner. If the Swedish lab had too much backlog due to COVID-19, RUSADA could have selected another lab or fast-tracked the samples for the athletes competing in Beijing. Basically, the fault all falls to RUSADA, so its not an argument they can really use in their defense.
 
If the Swedish lab had too much backlog due to COVID-19, RUSADA could have selected another lab or fast-tracked the samples
How though? If the samples have already been sent to Stockholm.
Covid-19 peaked in Stockholm around mid-january, after all the Christmas gatherings.
 
WADA has financial problems. It isn't funded appropriately. They can't test everyone. If all countries were interested in catching all drug cheats it would probably be better funded and could test everyone.

RUSADA selected the accredited lab. It was their responsibility to ensure the sample was processed in a timely manner. If the Swedish lab had too much backlog due to COVID-19, RUSADA could have selected another lab or fast-tracked the samples for the athletes competing in Beijing. Basically, the fault all falls to RUSADA, so its not an argument they can really use in their defense.
Interesting. I did not know WADA had financial problems.

From what you said the Russian sports leaders have failed an athlete again. This is going to be a very costly mistake and I hope not a career changing mistake that Kamila pays for.

Why couldn't they have just announced a couple days ago that CAS will uphold the suspension and then details would be worked out in the following months about to define how long the suspension will be? They could have sent this girl home a couple days ago to be with her parents instead of practicing everyday like she's going to skate in the lady's competition. SMH. Why leave her twisting in the wind like this especially since she's a 15 year old minor who is supposed to be handled with kid gloves?

Leadership is lacking all the way around at the top of figure skating in my opinion.
 
I know that Diana is the daugther of the most hated person of figure skating world but did Brennan had to be on bitchy mode with her?
I appreciate Brennan is a ig star
Brennan is the worst kind of a so called journalist..total jerk
And this is why in part I think Valieva should be allowed to skate. She is villainized by the media and public opinion. We have convicted her and the Russians before all the facts. But it seems really hard to believe that Valieva is responsible for the drug i her system. And moreover, regardless to treat another olympian with such disrespect. Even wording that her mother had done something wrong - which has yet to be proven at least on this doping allegation is irresponsible. Though much is made of Diana having poor skating skills and being Eteri's daugther she did not deserve to be treated like that. Can you imagine if Diana was suicidal. Freedom of speech and things done in the name of journalism may not mean much if we have a hurt or dead soul or body.
 
I wish those who wish to discuss Christine Brennan: Virtues and Vices and Water Intake During Training and Competitions would set up some dedicated sidebar threads, so this one can stay on track.

This thread shows that there are some posters out there in deep, deep denial over just how shaky is the legal ground that the ROC is trying to defend. I think come Monday when the CAS decision is handed down, there are going to be some extremely upset posters, which will probably take this thread to about 3000 posts. With the IOC, ISU, and WADA all filing petitions against RUSADA (which in a practical sense if not a legal one, means the ROC), that's some heavy hitters who are going to make some strong arguments for consequences and they will have precedent on their side, as near as I can find. I don't think the CAS can ignore their arguments and wipe them all away just because Valieva is a Protected Athlete.

Assuming the B sample has not yet been analyzed, (or has been analyzed and is also positive), I am now pretty certain that CAS will overturn RUSADA's decision to reinstate Valieva, and will allow for her Provisional Suspension. Based on my (admittedly imperfect) reading of WADA rules, I'm going to guess that the most probable consequences are:
-- Valieva will not compete in the Olympic Women's event.
--She will be given a Suspension dating from date of positive test for 6 months (or end of this season, June 30). This will also keep her from competing at Worlds. I strongly doubt that she will get a suspension that goes into next season.
--The ISU will seek to have her European gold rescinded, and elevate placements 2, 3, 4 (Scherbakova, Trusova, Hendrickx).
--The IOC will disqualify her from the Team Event and remove her points from the Team Total. This will drop ROC team down to 4th place and elevate USA, Japan, Canada. (I don't think IOC will DQ the entire ROC team and I also don't think they will recalculate the detail in every team's points.)
--An investigation, probably with WADA oversight, into Sambo-70 will start.

Except for the first item on the list and possibly the Team Event resolution, not all of the above issues will be quickly settled, and I'm sure each one will end up being argued and then appealed in front of the CAS. The next several months will be busy with the fallout from this, a sad ending to a troubled skating season. :(
 
Interesting. I did not know WADA had financial problems.

From what you said the Russian sports leaders have failed an athlete again. This is going to be a very costly mistake and I hope not a career changing mistake that Kamila pays for.

Why couldn't they have just announced a couple days ago that CAS will uphold the suspension and then details would be worked out in the following months about to define how long the suspension will be? They could have sent this girl home a couple days ago to be with her parents instead of practicing everyday like she's going to skate in the lady's competition. SMH. Why leave her twisting in the wind like this especially since she's a 15 year old minor who is supposed to be handled with kid gloves?

Leadership is lacking all the way around at the top of figure skating in my opinion.
Send her home. She has worked all her life for this opportunity. She herself did nothing wrong. She in fact is suppose to be protected. This is her dream. She was the favourite. It really appears she will be the scapegoat and the victim here. Maybe she needs to be allowed to skate to say to others you should not be victimized and bullied by a system or federation.
 
Send her home. She has worked all her life for this opportunity. She herself did nothing wrong. She in fact is suppose to be protected. This is her dream. She was the favourite. It really appears she will be the scapegoat and the victim here. Maybe she needs to be allowed to skate to say to others you should not be victimized and bullied by a system or federation.
She is the victim but allowing her to skate is not the way to ensure that others won't be victimized. Quite the opposite, in fact. If you don't want others to be victimized, the adults responsible for this must suffer and they must see that doping athletes doesn't reap rewards. Plus, she's not the only victim. All the clean athletes will be victimized if an individual who had training advantage due to an endurance drug is allowed to win an event.

It's a tragedy and despite all the noise here trying to blame the journalist, random dark figures, and WADA, the ones responsible for this are clearly her doctors and coaching team. They caused the tragedy!
 
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Substances are put on the banned substance list for a reason.
It would be very interesting to know these reasons. Here, for example, meldonium. It was synthesized back in the 70s. And the authors of the drug all subsequent years tried to prove clinical efficacy - completely unsuccessfully. Research has shown no results for decades. Only one publication about meldonium in a medical magazine- and then it was recognized as fake.

In Russia, such useless drugs are called "fuflomycin". It has always been believed that the only purpose of selling them is to make money out of thin air.

But on September 16, 2015, WADA added meldonium to the list of banned drugs. And three months later, an article appears in a German magazine confirming the effectiveness of meldonium and the possibility of its use as a doping.

Meanwhile, in reality, the clinical effectiveness of this remedy remains unproven even today, and the results of a German study are suspiciously similar to what is written in the description of the drug, which was compiled by its creators.

You can, of course, consider this a conspiracy theory, but I think that the only real reason for the ban on meldonium is WADA's hope that this particular drug will be detected in Russian athletes.

The fact is that in 2012, meldonium was included by the Russian Ministry of Health in the list of vital medicines. The entry of an obvious "fuflomycin" into this list was most likely the result of corruption. In any case, Arbidol, also a medicine with unproven effectiveness, also made it to the same list (but, to the chagrin of WADA, it will hardly ever be recognized as doping).

Thus, the "defenders of clean sport" had every reason to expect that meldonium (or weak traces of it) would be found in almost every athlete from Russia. Indeed, for coaches it is really something like a vitamin - we take it just in case. But the catch was relatively small, I think that WADA expected much more.
 
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