Its unfortunate that compassion and generosity haven't been extended to the athletes with no positive drug tests.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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Its unfortunate that compassion and generosity haven't been extended to the athletes with no positive drug tests.
She probably doesn't even know if she did or not
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I bet it's her status of a minor.
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The problem with the substance founded in Kamila's blood that another substance which is used for migraine can give a false positive test. And Kamila's tests were negative both at Europeans, this Olympics and during GP circuit. As i said before, some people's narrative that somebody must be guilty without a chance to prove otherwise is just beyond my look at humans nature, but i guess Freud was right after all
You're referring to Lomerizine, which WADA issued an advisory about 4 years ago due to it's metabolism being
able to show a false positiveness result for tmz, despite it not being banned, with specific orders to approved
labs with how to operate when facing this situation, so the whole community is aware of it, especially top athletes.
Kamila never claimed she took Lomerizine, and even if she did, she would've been obliged to report it beforehand,
otherwise she's still violating doping rules, and she would be in the same exact situation anyway because
she couldn't prove she didn't take both.
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I think i read RUSSADA said they think the substance founded in her blood was taken by different kind of a product, not as an medicine itself, that why i mentioned it. My point still stands, if they are not sure she took that substance in that form intentionally, they won't charge her, because she is easily replaceable with another Russian women, who will be a favorite for the medal.
Not here at the Olympics in the individual event, nor are her scores for the team event replaceable
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Alysa Liu and Arthur Liu on Russian Doping:
Then thank goodness we will have new age rules and this can't happen again at a senior competition. AFAIAC, this Olympics has been ruined by Russian doping and cheating.
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I think you meant right! twice a day.....
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in history it's been to the contrary, and logically so, if you can't figure out where the substance came from
than out of integrity you have to treat it as if it's been taken, and even when eventually proving ones
innocence (which is not really achievable but could be within common sense) or if the substance is to be
removed from the banned list, than the ban would be shortened but you still can't keep the results
Life is so much calmer when one uses the "ignore" button. Because I really don't see anything funny about a situation that turns me away from being a figure skating fan after so many years. But you know, you go ahead and do you, message poster.
“Well, God give them wisdom that have it; and those that are fools, let them use their talents.”
― William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
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I'm sorry but in the interest of accuracy, the lab is not allowed to report a positive test for TMZ unless lomerizine has already been tested for and has already been ruled out.
Here is the report on Valieva's case prepared by the Russian opposition investigative journalists 'Dossier Center'. They've obtained somehow the leaked audio of Valieva's proceedings at RUSADA's disciplinary committee on 9 Feb, and also WADA's application to the CAS. Their report is in Russian, but the text of WADA's application is attached there in English. For short, Valieva's grandfather says that he receives trimetazidine, and Kamila used the same 'contaminated glass' after him. Her mother also says that Kamila receives another medicine - hypoxen 'to treat heart variations'. WADA describes all this in its application and states that trimetazidine is also for heart treatment, as hypoxen too. Dossier Center's experts say that TMZ is in capsules which dissolve in intestines only and cannot contaminate the glass. https://dossier-center.appspot.com/kamila/
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They would replace her before Olympics to begin with, but her other tests before and during OLY were negative. And even they were sure she is a doper, they would replace her with losing one gold medal, as RUSSADA was the one charging her in first place (before they have a conversation with her). So, my point still stands - they just not sure she is guilty. (And i won't even comment on the fact that results came exactly at this point of time, because if i'm Kamila, or Eteri or ROC i would go on CAS charging WADA).
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I think people should stop suggesting that here, there's no reason for that to happen
and I don't think I'd wanna send her home to Russia if she had decided to bow out,
talk about being afraid of people being angry with her...
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Although it made a hot mess of the women’s division, I’m pleasantly surprised by the decision. This was an unprecedented situation in which black-and-white thinking would have been inappropriate.
Dig if you will this picture. Had this exact situation happened to Nathan Chen, do you think the ruling would have been different? What do Chen and Valieva have in common? They dominated their respective fields and are heavy gold medal contenders. Therefore, you best make damn sure your answer is correct. And WADA - an organization headed by sanctimonious toadies - is never damn sure, which is why they remove substances from their impossibly long list after learning more information. Such an unorganized entity shouldn’t have the authority to make decisions that will have such a monumental effect on an athlete’s career.
Dig if you will this picture. Had this exact situation happened to Nathan Chen, do you think the ruling would have been different? What do Chen and Valieva have in common? They dominated their respective fields and are heavy gold medal contenders. Therefore, you best make damn sure your answer is correct. And WADA - an organization headed by sanctimonious toadies - is never damn sure, which is why they remove substances from their impossibly long list after learning more information. Such an unorganized entity shouldn’t have the authority to make decisions that will have such a monumental effect on an athlete’s career.
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They also mention that her grandfather had received a heart transplant. If TMZ is on Russian post-heart transplant medical protocols then maybe this scenario is not so improbable after all.
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So any other (non minor) athlete in a less "unique" situation and this right here would've been enough to take recent titles
and give a cooling period from competition, just because the substance is discovered in her system,
and if they empathise with the story (and what a story it is) they can make the period shorter.
I gotta say putting a potential Olympic champion in such proximity of a banned substance where
she could accidentally consume it is HIGHLY irresponsible of them, if that was in fact the case,
and I wonder what Eteri would think of such negligence from her top student.
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But this time they will not even know it, will they?The melodrama about the "Olympic moment"! I'm not saying it's unimportant but wow surely the real Olympic moment is getting the scores and knowing you won or got a medal. But outrage wins.
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Exactly. CAS ruled "irreparable harm" if Valieva doesn't compete and then somehow is absolved of the positive test. Who represented the 23 (now 24) other competitors who are facing irreparable harm competing against someone with a positive PEDs test who are now dealing with the situation unfolding knowing their sport and the Olympic institution is allowing a doper to compete. Where is their opportunity for fair competition, integrity, and an Olympic moment? They are being robbed of a chance to compete on an even playing field and flower and medal ceremonies.
Especially when no one else who has tested positive has been given such a presumption of innocence by the international arbitrators.
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