3) lack of evidence that it's safe
4) lack of research into how much to dose
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence.
Shaldybin,18, tested positive for hydrochlorothiazide and its marker, 3‐chloroaniline‐4,6‐disulfonamide, as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample she provided on June 7, 2016. Hydrochlorothiazide is a Diuretic prohibited at all times under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing, the United States Olympic Committee (“USOC”) National Anti-Doping Policies (“USOC NADP”), and the International Gymnastics Federation (“FIG”) Anti‐Doping Rules, all of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (the “Code”) and the WADA Prohibited List.
USADA reviewed all the evidence, including laboratory reports demonstrating very low parts per billion concentrations of the prohibited substance in the athlete’s urine sample. Together with the circumstances of ingestion and scientific evidence provided by published literature and expert reports, USADA concluded on a balance of probabilities that the athlete unknowingly ingested the hydrochlorothiazide through tap water obtained from the municipal water supply. As the prohibited substance originated in the municipal water supply, Shaldybin will not face a period of ineligibility or loss of results obtained on or subsequent to June 7, 2016, the day her sample was collected.
U.S. Gymnastics Athlete, Shaldybin, Accepts Finding of No Fault for Anti-Doping Rule Violation - LawInSport
Press Release 14 July 2016 – USADA announced today that Kristen Shaldybin, of Highwood, Illinois, an athlete in the sport of gymnastics, has tested positive for a prohibited substance, which was determined to have been ingested by her without fault or negligence. Shaldybin,18, tested positive...www.lawinsport.com
USADA also announced that rhythmic gymnast Kristen Shaldybin tested positive for hydrochlorothiazde (HCTZ) but ingested it without fault or negligence.
Shaldybin tested positive following an out-of-competition test on June 7. Given the low concentration in her urine sample, circumstances of her ingestion of the substance and expert reports, USADA determined “on a balance of probabilities” that Shaldybin likely ingested it through tap water.
Shaldybin, 18, will compete in Rio.
Good find. I will say that afaik in Rhythmic gymnastics they don't have Worlds in an Olympic year,
so it could've been that from the time of the Sample being taken in early June, till the time of the
decision on the case in mid July there were no competitions to be a part of or even for a while prior,
and the actual Olympic event was in super late August, so that timeline allowed that decision to
be more easily made without any international appeals, that is if I got all the times right of course
I guess it could be viewed as a precedent on Kamila's case as far as Shaldybin not receiving an automatic ban,
but as far as the treatment of RUSADA with Kamila, neither did she really, only for half a day maybe.
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Not gonna complain about that. Tatiana Tarasova has said awful, awful things about basically everybody. I don't like her either.
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It seems that people don't or don't want to realize that Kamila, once this is over, does not have to come home to and live amongst Twitter users, international skating fans, TSL, American and Japanese skaters or the ISU.
She has to come home to and live amongst Russians. And depend on the support and opinion of the Russian public, sports body and government.
She talked face to face to Putin before leaving, giving a speech about how proud she is to represent Russia and wanting to win as many medals for her country as possible. Her skating is state-funded. Olympic medalists receive money and amenities from the government. Sport is a very nationalistic entity in Russia and athletes are highly indoctrinated with Nationalist sentiments and a sense of responsibility towards the country.
How anybody could demand or expect her to incriminate or "back stab" anybody Russian in this debacle is beyond me. And most definitely not her coaches, doctors or family since in her world, those are the people who are "supporting her" through this difficult time in which she is being "attacked" by the rest of the world. It would be insanely stupid of her and most importantly it would go against the natural human instinct of a 15yo disturbed girl.
She has to come home to and live amongst Russians. And depend on the support and opinion of the Russian public, sports body and government.
She talked face to face to Putin before leaving, giving a speech about how proud she is to represent Russia and wanting to win as many medals for her country as possible. Her skating is state-funded. Olympic medalists receive money and amenities from the government. Sport is a very nationalistic entity in Russia and athletes are highly indoctrinated with Nationalist sentiments and a sense of responsibility towards the country.
How anybody could demand or expect her to incriminate or "back stab" anybody Russian in this debacle is beyond me. And most definitely not her coaches, doctors or family since in her world, those are the people who are "supporting her" through this difficult time in which she is being "attacked" by the rest of the world. It would be insanely stupid of her and most importantly it would go against the natural human instinct of a 15yo disturbed girl.
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So just because she dislikes someone with a very questionable coaching methods makes her having no credit? Unless she made personal attacks, I call BS. Undet your definition I'm probably an Eteri hater as well, and I guess I wouldn't have much problem with that, since she has a history of breaking skaters, as shown here: https://mobile.twitter.com/mossyzinc/status/1492138622270812169
Also disliking someone's skating doesn't make their opinion invalid. If she truly made these comments about Evgenia how she should not comeback, I will agree, that is bad.
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The amount of situational awareness regarding other people's medicine (on top of the rigors of training and the pressure of public televized competition) some people expect from a 15 year old is scary....
I think the WADA protocols need to be completely reworked... when using the wrong lip balm can cost you a trip the world championships or drinking tap water can get you in trouble... the system is broken.
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An older sick person shouldn't be sharing glasses and plates with anyone to begin with, especially not during COVID,
This story is presenting everyone in that situation as very negligent toward each other.
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Oksana should know how to destroy one's career as she destroyed her own.
We could recapitulate the discussions through last several years on that. For example when a skater retired, what was the cause etc. Typically Tsurskaya - she always spoke about that she simply did not want to be competitive athlete. And she works with Eteri now, so why would anyone explained to her "look, it is Eteri who caused your troubles" when she obviously does not think so. Same with Lilbet, she also defended Eteri publicly with passion. Putting Tarakanova in the list, seriously? But again, this was talked about so many times here that there is no chance it would be said anything new here what wasn't pointed out yet from any side.
It makes you just biased. Biased doesn't mean you can't be right, but your words have to be received with caution.
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Ok, so if this is the main argument, I guess I'm out.
This is different than getting contaminated through lip balm or tap water where you would have to actively go to find out information on this. Her grandpa's medication would have been known to him and her family and probably her team too.
Considering she was only positive for trace amounts, she also would have needed to share his water right on the morning of the doping test which I find quite unlikely.
Basically, this is a bad cover story if it is one.
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Don't worry, sharing a glass of water cost no one anything, lol.
This excuse is the dumbest things I've heard this year, but to be fair, it is only February. However, it is great marketing and I doubt she thought of it herself, so this is not her fault. An excuse that sounds vaguely plausible if you know nothing specific about the drug, like the way it dissolves and its half-time? That's subtly designed to draw attention to her being a child who is still around her caretakers (who could be mad at her!)? That, most importantly, manages to shift all the blame off Eteri and her team anaesthesist? Pretty well-done, gotta give it to them.
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not necessarily, TMZ can linger in one's body for days if not weeks.
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I thought Adam Rippon presented a reasoned argument:
Please read the thread before bringing up "oh this athlete and oh that athlete" in response to Adam; Adam addresses the "whataboutism". He also said:
As an athlete I sat through USADA presentations where we were discouraged from even taking a multivitamin. When we get sick we avoid cold medicine. When we are in pain we avoid creams and other topicals that might have “something” in them.
Please read the thread before bringing up "oh this athlete and oh that athlete" in response to Adam; Adam addresses the "whataboutism". He also said:
As an athlete I sat through USADA presentations where we were discouraged from even taking a multivitamin. When we get sick we avoid cold medicine. When we are in pain we avoid creams and other topicals that might have “something” in them.
I think russian people use to greet by kissing on the mouse. It’s not a french kiss but it’s still a kiss
I don’t follow rhythmic gymnastics either, but I did catch the final at the Olympics. I remember Russia being upset with the result. I didn’t know they decided to treat her as the gold medalist. Not surprising though, now that I think about it.If she wins a medal, I suppose she can expect money and glory, not misery. Even she is stripped of it afterwards.
Her world was, is and will be Russia, nothing has changed. As for what is being said about her, I'm pretty sure she can't understand English
If she wins a medal and even if there is no victory ceremony, she will be awarded I don't know which Russian medal and prizes, she will be cheered at the airport when she flies back to Russia, she will be on TV studio sets... maybe even more so since she will be a victim. I'm not so much into gymnastics, but look at what happened with D. Averina, who finished at the second place at the Tokyo games, which the Russian team said was an unfair outcome (maybe true, maybe wrong, I'm not interested in gymnastics): based on what I read on the RT website, she was awarded the Russian medal and the prize for gold medalists once back in Russia...
KV is a product designed for the Russian market, nothing has changed.
Let me know when Puma Russia breaks their sponsorship contract with her, and I might change my mind.
Yes- I think they’d follow the same formula with KV. I think- no matter what- she’ll be supported in and by Russia. Whatever happens- if it isn’t favorable- either in competition performance or in keeping any medals- will be deemed someone else’s fault. I saw photos of giant billboards supporting her in Russia.
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That drug is not on the WADA banned list, only FSG.
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Really? WOW
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I actually wasn't sure whether I would watch - it was in the afternoon here in Europe, so a great time, but I decided to be firm and only followed the results. Normally I would watch the competition even if I found it boring, now I simply wanted to send a message.
I cheer for the Japanese and Korean ladies, as well as Loena.
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