What did Caro say? I haven't read anything on newspapers.
Men's Long Program
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What did Caro say? I haven't read anything on newspapers.
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Weir has to learn, that skating just a clean programme is not enough for a win.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I'm sure he knows this by now..That's not rocket science...LOL Johnny, did skate clean but didn't land the usual triple-triples he normally does.. Also, at least he went for the quad!
Actually, I'm sure he knows this by now..That's not rocket science...LOL Johnny, did skate clean but didn't land the usual triple-triples he normally does.. Also, at least he went for the quad!
If I think about the whole thing right now, after a few hours passed - I'm beginning to appreciate Joubert more and more: His season so far sucked, his SP and LP weren't perfect at this Worlds, but I've never seen him skate with so much passion and emotion before. That was really impressing how he took the audience completly with his skate. A new Joubert is born, and he shouldn't be too sad about the result. He can build up on this performance, and I guess he won a new admirer: me! 
Oh my god you're kidding right.
Like he doesn't know that.
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Well, Buttle only won because Takahashi and Lambiel bombed and Joubert was a bit on the arrogant side that night.
In 2005 Lysacek only got the Bronze because Joubert bombed and Plushenko withdrew.
Plushenko only won Olympics because Joubert and Lambiel (who skated sensationally a few weeks later at Worlds) decided to hand him the medal.
Shall I go on? The thing is that yesterday afternoon Johnny was really on and today afternoon he kept it together and delivered a solid skate - and overall won the medal because other guys couldn't keep it together, some of them in the short (vdP and Voronov), others in the long. We can go on and on about how he was lucky etc. If everybody would have been on tonight the podium would be Takahashi, Lambiel, Joubert or Verner. But they weren't! And that's it. I hope there won't be many "he was just lucky"-complaints. It's a sport, it's about taking chances, about being lucky - about having the better day.
I am really happy how consistent Johnny was throughout the season. He only fell two times in competition - all season long! And he looked so nervous before the skate and still fought himself through it. He earned that medal!
"Weir has to learn, that skating just a clean programme is not enough for a win."
Well, to him it seems to be rocket science, since he keeps repeating it in competitions (= not doing the whole content of his freeskate programme), LOL.
Although I´m not a fan of Joubert like I´m that of Buttle and Weir, I could not help admiring that Joubert (and Buttle of course) skated like a World champion.
That is something that lots of people continuously keep saying about Lysacek´s two Worlds bronze medals.... And Weir was really lucky, since he was only 5th in the freeskate and was very close to lose the medal to Takahashi.
Well, to him it seems to be rocket science, since he keeps repeating it in competitions (= not doing the whole content of his freeskate programme), LOL.
If I think about the whole thing right now, after a few hours passed - I'm beginning to appreciate Joubert more and more: His season so far sucked, his SP and LP weren't perfect at this Worlds, but I've never seen him skate with so much passion and emotion before. That was really impressing how he took the audience completly with his skate. A new Joubert is born, and he shouldn't be too sad about the result. He can build up on this performance, and I guess he won a new admirer: me!
Although I´m not a fan of Joubert like I´m that of Buttle and Weir, I could not help admiring that Joubert (and Buttle of course) skated like a World champion.
That is something that lots of people continuously keep saying about Lysacek´s two Worlds bronze medals.... And Weir was really lucky, since he was only 5th in the freeskate and was very close to lose the medal to Takahashi.
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Well, I am sure that you cannot say that Buttle's win is not a result of Verner, Lambiel, and Takahashi's bombing. While I am happy that Buttle could win a surprised gold medal at this World, I have to say that this World has lowest level of the men's competition of the season as far as the technical elements concerned.
I totally agree. Joubert planned a three quads program but I guess after seeing Lambiel, Takahashi and Verner's skating, he assumed that 1 quad should be enough, and he missed his second 3A. That was really a miscalculation and the consequence of arrogance. Too bad, Brian. Stop complaining and show due respect to somebody else who skated better. Jeff just did more than him, higher technical base level, and Brian even got higher PCS. Accept it and next time give it all.
Elements base value:
Buttle - 74,93
Joubert - 68,39
Base value for the jumps only:
Buttle - 56.23
Joubert - 53,89 (including 2 edge calls)
Worlds 2007 FS, elements base value:
Takahashi - 79,43
Joubert - 71,48
So, excuse me, what do you agree with?
I didn't do the add up of jumps. Brian even had lower planned jump base value than Jeff? What was he thinking? He should have known perfectly that Jeff has basicly higher level on anything else.
Although I'm a believer that ideally a Men's champion should have quad in his program, Jeff won this competition fair and square.
On a side note, Brian, I do think that higher level of spins and step sequences ARE difficult elements too. If you think that they are not and easy to do, why not do them and leave a whole lot of points on the table?
I was so happy for all three medalist and this kind of sour loser comment just spoiled the joy.
By the way I do like Brian's skating in both the SP and LP this year. He's definitely better in performance than before. A less than classic comment should not take away what he did. I even thought that he would have won after he finished and before Jeff finished, yes, right to the last jump.
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Brian haters, you are very mean!
He had been very sick with a virus that had attacked his muscles and he became very thin and weak. It was a long recovery period, and he was unable to skate for quite a long time. Brian is still very pale and thin, and if he watered down his technical content, it was because of stamina issues. Under the circumstances, I don't call Brian's pleasure in having done a good FS arrogance.
He is a fighter and today he show to all stupids judges and haters class and superstar power.
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He had been very sick with a virus that had attacked his muscles and he became very thin and weak. It was a long recovery period, and he was unable to skate for quite a long time. Brian is still very pale and thin, and if he watered down his technical content, it was because of stamina issues. Under the circumstances, I don't call Brian's pleasure in having done a good FS arrogance.He is a fighter and today he show to all stupids judges and haters class and superstar power.
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Brian haters, you are very mean!
He is a fighter and today he show to all stupids judges and haters class and superstar power.
1. The judges love Brian. There is no event that comes to my mind where I would say that Brian wasn't judged fairly.
2. We all (I guess I can say it like that) admire him for coming back after that illness and disappointing (for him) Europeans
3. Most people here think - and also said - that his performance was great tonight, it had power, conviction, style and technical prowess.
4. His comments about the Quad, about Buttle playing it safe etc. are not really sportsmanlike. All I can say to him is: do the math, my dear Frenchman, you needed at least another Triple and you also need to max out your combinations and should have perhaps thought about the fact that Buttle has exceptional spins with high levels and good GOE before not doing another Quad.
5. A few hours after the competition I am sure that Joubert didn't even think that Buttle would be clean and perfect. I am sure he thought that Buttle would self-destruct (I actually thought that too) as he tended to do the last two years. And let's be honest: even the 4CC weren't that great for Buttle, most of his jumps in his long at 4CC were still very shaky, he fell once, did just one Triple Axel...
It surely is the comeback of the year, so great!
I am getting excited all over again!It's because of all of that Brian went through that makes what he said worse than it normally would. Considering how sick he was and how gaunt he still looks, he should be thrilled his season is ending w/not only a podium finish, but the Silver Medal.
But ohhhh noooo...Instead, Brian lets his mouth run away w/itself and ends up tarnishing that Silver Medal w/a very classless remark. That's what everyone's ticked about. To quote Jeff from The Globe and Mail article that just got posted over there...In the National portion of the site, *as well as* the Sports portion I might add. When's the last time that happened w/a skating result in Canada Gang? Shae and Victor's win in 93?
Anyway...
It was Brian's own ego and arrogance that decided Jeff wasn't a threat as someone else posted here earlier today. What was proven once again today, there's more to skating than four turns in the air. You need the complete package. As for calling those of us calling Brian on remarks that just aren't called for, especially after everything he's been through this season, all Brian haters is a bit much. There's being a fan of someone and then there's being blind to any and all faults when that skater/team does something classless and getting legitmately nailed for it.
And I like Brian's skating and am a fan too, but there's a reason why we're ticked off he said what he said. There's more to being a Champion than just wearing a medal around your neck and winning a title. There's acting like one too and part of that is losing w/grace. Sad to see Brian hasn't learned that lesson.
But ohhhh noooo...Instead, Brian lets his mouth run away w/itself and ends up tarnishing that Silver Medal w/a very classless remark. That's what everyone's ticked about. To quote Jeff from The Globe and Mail article that just got posted over there...In the National portion of the site, *as well as* the Sports portion I might add. When's the last time that happened w/a skating result in Canada Gang? Shae and Victor's win in 93?
Anyway...
It was Brian's own ego and arrogance that decided Jeff wasn't a threat as someone else posted here earlier today. What was proven once again today, there's more to skating than four turns in the air. You need the complete package. As for calling those of us calling Brian on remarks that just aren't called for, especially after everything he's been through this season, all Brian haters is a bit much. There's being a fan of someone and then there's being blind to any and all faults when that skater/team does something classless and getting legitmately nailed for it.
And I like Brian's skating and am a fan too, but there's a reason why we're ticked off he said what he said. There's more to being a Champion than just wearing a medal around your neck and winning a title. There's acting like one too and part of that is losing w/grace. Sad to see Brian hasn't learned that lesson.
What puzzled me is that he didn't show up for either of them.
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Joubert's LP this year was better. Still not his best in terms of the jumps, but it WAS his best as a performer.
Mercy of the caller. I wouldn't have downgraded his Quad, which would have placed him 3rd in the LP.
Mercy of the caller. I wouldn't have downgraded his Quad, which would have placed him 3rd in the LP.
