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2025 Skate to Milano (Olympic Qualifier) | Sep 19-21

FlossieH said:
If you are referring to the skaters I think, then they should either send the younger skater or just withdraw and save the travel costs. The younger skater has just taken a silver medal and gained the CTES for senior worlds in her first senior international competition. Her overall score in that competition was 55 marks higher than that achieved by the older skater in the same event. The older skater does not have the minimum for Worlds and her scores have been poor for a while. They weren't competing in the same competitions as each other last season, but the younger skater was gaining higher scores than the older one despite competing in juniors and having one less element to contribute to the scores.
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Yep, we're on the same page ;)

I don't like being so cryptic, but I know that the skaters we are talking about read the forum, and both of their mothers have joined the forum. So if I mention names, they can find it. And I don't want to risk annoying any of them, so I'm talking in riddles.

Thank you for bringing up the issue of TES minimums. It is only in the past few years that I started to pay any attention to minimums (although I still find the new combined system confusing), so I am not sure how they apply to the Olympics. Given that the IOC want to keep the number of participants and their entourage down, I take it that the Olympics do have minimum TES requirements like the ISU Majors have.

I just checked Skating Scores, and it has already been updated after this week's events. (I wasn't expecting it to be updated already! Well done to the owner! :bow: ) And the younger skater has now got the minimums for Senior Worlds. So, it would make even more sense to send her to China, rather than send a skater who is more experienced but who is has been out of form and doesn't have the minimums for Worlds.

It would be hard on the older skater to be replaced, especially after not getting sent to the last Olympic Qualifying Event either. But the most important thing right now is to try to get the slot. And the younger skater is in a better position to be able to achieve that.

Who knows, if they do get one of the slots, the run of form may change by the time February comes along. And my favourite may yet get selected to go to Assago. But as things stand right now, she shouldn't be the one sent to Beijing to try to get it.

CaroLiza_fan
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
Yep, we're on the same page ;)

I don't like being so cryptic, but I know that the skaters we are talking about read the forum, and both of their mothers have joined the forum. So if I mention names, they can find it. And I don't want to risk annoying any of them, so I'm talking in riddles.

Thank you for bringing up the issue of TES minimums. It is only in the past few years that I started to pay any attention to minimums (although I still find the new combined system confusing), so I am not sure how they apply to the Olympics. Given that the IOC want to keep the number of participants and their entourage down, I take it that the Olympics do have minimum TES requirements like the ISU Majors have.

I just checked Skating Scores, and it has already been updated after this week's events. (I wasn't expecting it to be updated already! Well done to the owner! :bow: ) And the younger skater has now got the minimums for Senior Worlds. So, it would make even more sense to send her to China, rather than send a skater who is more experienced but who is has been out of form and doesn't have the minimums for Worlds.

It would be hard on the older skater to be replaced, especially after not getting sent to the last Olympic Qualifying Event either. But the most important thing right now is to try to get the slot. And the younger skater is in a better position to be able to achieve that.

Who knows, if they do get one of the slots, the run of form may change by the time February comes along. And my favourite may yet get selected to go to Assago. But as things stand right now, she shouldn't be the one sent to Beijing to try to get it.

CaroLiza_fan
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For CTES, the minimums for the Olympics are the same as Europeans/4CC (Page 3). They edited it to add the Olympics to the CTES minimums.
 
saine said:
For CTES, the minimums for the Olympics are the same as Europeans/4CC (Page 3). They edited it to add the Olympics to the CTES minimums.
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Ooooh. That is a surprise. I expected the Olympics to have minimums, but I'd have thought they would be the same as Worlds.

And to think people scoffed when I said Worlds were more important and prestigious than the Olympics. Here's the confirmation!

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself! :p :devil: )

Thank you for the info! :bow: :clap: :points:

:thank:

CaroLiza_fan
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
Ooooh. That is a surprise. I expected the Olympics to have minimums, but I'd have thought they would be the same as Worlds.

And to think people scoffed when I said Worlds were more important and prestigious than the Olympics. Here's the confirmation!

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself! :p :devil: )

Thank you for the info! :bow: :clap: :points:

:thank:

CaroLiza_fan
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it's not really a surprise because Olympics has always had lower minimums than worlds. It is the same as 4CC/Euros. At the same time, with fewer spots, I doubt it's easy for a skater who wouldn't quite have worlds minimums to qualify for the Olympics....
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
Yep, we're on the same page ;)

I don't like being so cryptic, but I know that the skaters we are talking about read the forum, and both of their mothers have joined the forum. So if I mention names, they can find it. And I don't want to risk annoying any of them, so I'm talking in riddles.

Thank you for bringing up the issue of TES minimums. It is only in the past few years that I started to pay any attention to minimums (although I still find the new combined system confusing), so I am not sure how they apply to the Olympics. Given that the IOC want to keep the number of participants and their entourage down, I take it that the Olympics do have minimum TES requirements like the ISU Majors have.

I just checked Skating Scores, and it has already been updated after this week's events. (I wasn't expecting it to be updated already! Well done to the owner! :bow: ) And the younger skater has now got the minimums for Senior Worlds. So, it would make even more sense to send her to China, rather than send a skater who is more experienced but who is has been out of form and doesn't have the minimums for Worlds.

It would be hard on the older skater to be replaced, especially after not getting sent to the last Olympic Qualifying Event either. But the most important thing right now is to try to get the slot. And the younger skater is in a better position to be able to achieve that.

Who knows, if they do get one of the slots, the run of form may change by the time February comes along. And my favourite may yet get selected to go to Assago. But as things stand right now, she shouldn't be the one sent to Beijing to try to get it.

CaroLiza_fan
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Honestly, if she skated like she did this past week (and obviously that is an 'if'), the younger skater would have a genuine chance of qualifying. There are 5 spots available for ladies. Three of the entrants (Petrosian, Hendrickx and Gubanova) are capable of scoring over 200. With Gubanova, it will depend on whether she can manage her nerves. Viktoriia Safonova has an ISU PB of 192 but hasn't competed internationally since BLR were banned. I have no idea how well she has been doing since. Of the rest, the score the younger skater gained this past week is better than the best international score achieved by any of the others last season (and I am including international competitions which do not count towards the official ISU PB or SB here). She would be one of around 8 skaters with a chance of gaining the 4th or 5th spot - and I am including Safonova in these 8.
 
FlossieH said:
Honestly, if she skated like she did this past week (and obviously that is an 'if'), the younger skater would have a genuine chance of qualifying. There are 5 spots available for ladies. Three of the entrants (Petrosian, Hendrickx and Gubanova) are capable of scoring over 200. With Gubanova, it will depend on whether she can manage her nerves. Viktoriia Safonova has an ISU PB of 192 but hasn't competed internationally since BLR were banned. I have no idea how well she has been doing since. Of the rest, the score the younger skater gained this past week is better than the best international score achieved by any of the others last season (and I am including international competitions which do not count towards the official ISU PB or SB here). She would be one of around 8 skaters with a chance of gaining the 4th or 5th spot - and I am including Safonova in these 8.
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I agree that the four skaters you name are probably shoe-ins if they skate to the level that we know they are capable of. Even with being out of the spotlight internationally for so long, I would still include Safonova in that group. But, as for the remaining slot, it is up in the air. Looking at the names, there are a lot of skaters that could claim it if they perform to their best, and a lot of names that I am unfamiliar with that could spring a surprise.

Of course, anything can happen on the day. Or, rather, the two days. And that is part of the problem with this qualifying system. You only get one shot. And if you have a slip up (perhaps literally!), or are ill or something, that's your chance gone.

Personally, I would prefer the selections to be based on body of work during the season (or during the past 2 seasons). But, maybe that's just me basing things on my own experiences. I was always towards the top of the class thoughout the school year; always did well in coursework; and then always did badly in exams. I just could not perform on the day. Continuous assessment like they had during COVID would have been perfect for me. So, that is why I always prefer when this sort of system is used for choosing who gets the slots at the Majors, rather than basing it on the results of one competition.

And that was why I agreed with the decision not to send my favourite skater to the Qualifying Event the last time. Yes, she had recently won a Challenger Event. But, looking at the whole of the previous two seasons, the skater that did get sent was more consistent. But when that skater got to Oberstdorf, things just did not work out for her. So, I could empathise with her.

But, things have turned out pretty well for her since then, and she has a very good chance of being selected for the Olympics this time in another category, and without having to go through the Qualifying Event. Mind you, she and her partner do have to go through Nationals, and we know that the Fed she is now under nearly always base their selections on Nationals results rather than body of work. And on the rare occasions when they go against the Nationals results and make a selection based on body of work, there is always uproar and allegations of favouritism. And the Fed won't want that in an Olympic season when there are more eyes on them. So, the skaters will have to make sure they do perform on the day.

Sorry for drifting off on a tangent. But, I suppose it is kinda still on topic as it concerns getting to the Olympics.

CaroLiza_fan
 
lariko said:
Personally, OAR, AIN, ROC and whatever else they call Russia nowadays aside, I am continuously confused by an event called Skate Milano taking place in Beijing.
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FlossieH said:
You aren't the only one. When I first saw the name, I thought it was a second Olympic Test event taking place in Milan rather than the Olympic Qualifier in Beijing...!
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The event is actually called "Skate To Milano", but the "To" has been left out in the thread title.

When I saw the thread a few days ago, I also thought it was another new Senior B in Assago that was being used as a second Olympic Test Event. But then I went into the thread and realised "ah, it's the old Beijing Olympic Qualifying Event thread with a new title".

Even with the correct name, you can understand why people would get confused and think it was another Olympic Test Event rather than the Olympic Qualfying Event. After all, the name is not too dissimilar to that of the Olympic Test Event that we had last season, the "Road To 2026 Trophy".

CaroLiza_fan
 
In order of Personal Best, * - unofficial best if no official.
Italian - pretenders for extra quota for NOC.

Men
No. Name Nation Score
1 Petr GUMENNIK AIN 263.14
2 Donovan CARRILLO MEX 232.67
3 Hyungyeom KIM KOR 230.46
4 Francois PITOT FRA 229.44
5 Maurizio ZANDRON AUT 228.27
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6 Georgii RESHTENKO CZE 226.67
7 Genrikh GARTUNG GER 218.94
8 Semen DANILIANTS ARM 216.89
9 Edward APPLEBY GBR 216.48
10 Burak DEMIRBOGA TUR 213.39
11 Tamir KUPERMAN ISR 210.47
12 Kyrylo MARSAK UKR 209.28
13 Yu-Hsiang LI TPE 206.40
14 Valtter VIRTANEN FIN 204.02
15 Davide LEWTON BRAIN MON 203.16
16 Jari KESSLER CRO 197.99
17 Dias JIRENBAYEV KAZ 197.66
18 Aleksandr VLASENKO HUN 187.03
19 Ze Zeng FANG MAS 174.86
20 Douglas GERBER AUS 167.03
21 Jarvis HO HKG 165.18
22 Yauhenii PUZANAU AIN 155.37
23 Paolo BORROMEO PHI 154.32
24 Gabriel MARTINEZ ECU 119.00*
25 David GOUVEIA POR 117.47
26 Dillon JUDGE IRL 116.04
WD Alexander ZLATKOV BUL 188.07
WD Yong Myong RO PRK 205.62

Women
No. Name Nation Score
1 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 221.28
2 Anastasiia GUBANOVA GEO 211.19
3 Adeliia PETROSIAN AIN 210.57
4 Viktoriia SAFONOVA AIN 192.49
5 Josefin TALJEGARD SWE 178.10
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6 Mia RISA GOMEZ NOR 161.71
7 Niki WORIES NED 159.65
8 Stefania YAKOVLEVA CYP 158.12 Substituted
9 Kristina LISOVSKAJA EST 158.09 Substituted
10 Anastasia GRACHEVA MDA 157.46
11 Vanesa SELMEKOVA SVK 152.59
12 Petra LAHTI NZL 151.14
13 Julija LOVRENCIC SLO 148.92
14 Andrea MONTESINOS CANTU MEX 148.55
15 Nargiz SUELEYMANOVA AZE 146.03
16 Ruiyang ZHANG CHN 145.21
17 Victoria ALCANTARA AUS 140.78
18 Michaela VRASTAKOVA CZE 135.84
19 Antonina DUBININA SRB 134.58
20 Tsz Ching CHAN HKG 134.53
21 Gian-Quen ISAACS RSA 128.59
22 Audrey LEE MAS 117.57
23 Sophia Natalie DAYAN ARG 110.57
24 Maxine BAUTISTA PHI 105.69*
25 Dimitra KORRI GRE 91.89
WD Marilena KITROMILIS CYP 180.72
WD Nataly LANGERBAUR EST 165.85
WD Tara PRASAD IND 143.01
WD Sofiia HRYHORENKO UKR 109.87

Pairs
No. Name Nation Score
1 Camille KOVALEV / Pavel KOVALEV FRA 179.85
2 Jiaxuan ZHANG / Yihang HUANG CHN 176.09
3 Karina AKOPOVA / Nikita RAKHMANIN ARM 174.84
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4 Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHI JPN 174.76
5 Audrey SHIN / Balazs NAGY USA 170.21
6 Tae Ok RYOM / Kum Chol HAN PRK 168.88*
7 Sofiia HOLICHENKO / Artem DARENSKYI UKR 168.55
8 Anna VALESI / Martin BIDAR CZE 161.48*
9 Sophia SCHALLER / Livio MAYR AUT 159.29
10 Isabella GAMEZ / Aleksandr KOROVIN PHI 157.04
11 Julia Sylvia GUNNARSDOTTIR / Manuel PIAZZA ISL 129.35
WD Greta CRAFOORD / John CRAFOORD SWE 154.53

Ice Dance
No. Name Nation Score
1 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU 203.37
2 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN 196.75
3 Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN AUS 179.53
4 Mariia IGNATEVA / Danijil Leonyidovics SZEMKO HUN 174.95
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5 Milla Ruud REITAN / Nikolaj MAJOROV SWE 172.56
6 Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS IRL 171.67 (two last seasons)
7 Utana YOSHIDA / Masaya MORITA JPN 171.59
8 Sofia VAL / Asaf KAZIMOV ESP 170.50
9 Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV UKR 167.22 Substituted
10 Shira ICHILOV / Mikhail NOSOVITSKIY ISR 166.48*
11 Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA ITA 162.61
12 Angelina KUDRYAVTSEVA / Ilia KARANKEVICH CYP 155.67
13 Sofiia DOVHAL / Wiktor KULESZA POL 153.25
14 Gaukhar NAURYZOVA / Boyisangur DATIEV KAZ 145.12
15 Maria KAZAKOVA / Vladislav KASINSKIJ GEO 141.63
16 Samantha RITTER / Daniel BRYKALOV AZE 138.92
17 Kristina DOBROSERDOVA / Alessandro PELLEGRINI ARM 135.94
18 Harlow Lynella STANLEY / Seiji URANO MEX 124.62
19 Chelsea VERHAEGH / Sherim VAN GEFFEN NED 123.87
WD Viktoryia PLASKONNAYA / Uladzislau SYTSIK AIN 143.36*
WD Victoria MANNI / Carlo ROETHLISBERGER ITA 170.75
WD Zoe LARSON / Andrii KAPRAN UKR 169.28
 
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Men
Alexander Zlatkov (BUL) has withdrawn and hasn't been replaced

Women
Stefania Yakovleva has replaced Marilena Kitromilis (CYP)

Ice Dance
Plaskonnaya/Sytsik (AIN) have withdrawn

Also the entry lists have been adjusted so that AIN is where it should be alphabetically.
 
saine said:
Women
Stefania Yakovleva has replaced Marilena Kitromilis (CYP)
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After the way they have been performing over the past year, and particularly head-to-head at the Robin Cousins Cup last week, this is the correct decision.

As a fan of Marilena, I'm upset for her. Especially after she missed out on the last Olympic Qualifying Event too. But as a fan of Stefania, I'm delighted for her.

Oh, the joys of being a fan of two skaters who are now each other's direct competition! :p

CaroLiza_fan
 
Jumping_Bean said:
I'm surprised, they just competed in a domestic competition. They weren't likely to qualify for the Olympics, but this would have still been a (potentially) unparalleled experience for them.
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Belarus has decided to send skaters who have a realistic chance of winning the spot. It was mentioned during the broadcast.
 
1. So South Korea is officially sending 0 pairs teams for this event.
2. I'm wondering if Ukraine or Sweden can get spots to potentially qualify for the team event? Or even the slightest chance of Australia getting 2 spots from this event. Oooooo the predictions and scenarios for this competition.
 
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