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How much interest can Alysa Liu revive in figure skating in the US?

This may be the first time that the skater herself believed it. And so we believe her. Or at least to the extent that it has captured the general public in the US which since I am the OP, I must point out again, was my query.

The too cool for school kids can always make up some reason why it's not really her mindset. But I've never been too cool for school. :biggrin:
Well, Alysa said she would surely come to Worlds because it is the career ending last competition for Kaori and some other skaters and she obviously wants to be there. We all believed her and loved her for it, didn't we? And yet she withdrew, didn't she? And no, she is not injured.
I don't blame her, I always half-expected her to withdraw.
Sorry for being a realist.
 
Well, Alysa said she would surely come to Worlds because it is the career ending last competition for Kaori and some other skaters and she obviously wants to be there. We all believed her and loved her for it, didn't we? And yet she withdrew, didn't she? And no, she is not injured.
I don't blame her, I always half-expected her to withdraw.
Sorry for being a realist.

She said immediately after the FS that she wanted to go to Worlds, She even said that she asked her coaches if she should skate new programs. Back when she had 300K IG followers and could go to her car from the airport in peace. Back before any of the opportunities she now has opened up to her.

I don't have a particular interest in the ladies and whether Kaori, Alysa or whoever won OGM didn't matter to me. That isn't influencing how I watch this unfold.

Alysa has talked about why she isn't going to Worlds and how this whirlwind has caught her by surprise. I believe her. As a realist. :)
 
She said immediately after the FS that she wanted to go to Worlds, She even said that she asked her coaches if she should skate new programs. Back when she had 300K IG followers and could go to her car from the airport in peace. Back before any of the opportunities she now has opened up to her.

I don't have a particular interest in the ladies and whether Kaori, Alysa or whoever won OGM didn't matter to me. That isn't influencing how I watch this unfold.

Alysa has talked about why she isn't going to Worlds and how this whirlwind has caught her by surprise. I believe her. As a realist. :)
I don't have a particular interest in the ladies and whether Kaori, Alysa or whoever won OGM didn't matter to me that much. That isn't influencing how I watch this unfold.
But I am not American. I don't think the world needed a US champion as someone here claimed. The world at large does not care about the nationality of the OGM, it is important mostly for his/her/their compatriots. But I think US loves the winners (any country does) and it needed one. And I think it is a good thing US got it in Alysa Liu who is really a very likeable and smart young lady. :)
 
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To check if Alyssa already had an impact on figure skating popularity itself, we should probably just check the number of viewers on upcoming worlds without Alyssa. If the numbers stay pretty much the same as ever, then we could tell she didn't make skating that much more popular yet 😉. But then again, bigger numbers could be caused by general post-olympic interest. Consequently, if any future competitions with Alyssa will have significantly bigger audience than without Alyssa, then can we talk about sport popularity or is it just skater popularity?
Either way, no point in talking about it now, it's still brewing, only time can give us answers, maybe we should come back to talk about it in a couple of months or so.
One thing that I would really like to see is Alysa competing in Cranberry Cup in... August, I believe? :scratch2: Last summer, the stands were empty like Covid. Why not try if Alysa can change that? She'd do a Challenger series event anyway. All elite skaters do prior to the GP season. Then why not the domestic one?

As for the upcoming WC, I am really curious what Alysa's IG content will be and what impact it will have. Sure like h*ll that she'll post about it! :rock:
 
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I think that this thread is beginning to wander a little. The question was whether Alysa's sudden individual popularity will result in an increase in spectator interest in figure skating in America.

Granted, this question is not of compelling interest to everyone. That's OK.

For me, it's fun to speculate. That's OK, too. :nod:
 
I think that this thread is beginning to wander a little. The question was whether Alysa's sudden individual popularity will result in an increase in spectator interest in figure skating in America.

Granted, this question is not of compelling interest to everyone. That's OK.

For me, it's fun to speculate. That's OK, too. :nod:
So, what are we speculating about?
Alysa's sudden individual popularity has already resulted in an increase in spectator interest in figure skating in America: see the SOI ticket sales.
What's the next target? The Cranberry Cup? The Skate America?

I understand that the WC is off-topic. That's kind of global. ;)
 
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^ I guess now we are waiting to see if the phenomena holds up after the current news cycle runs its course.
 
To check if Alyssa already had an impact on figure skating popularity itself, we should probably just check the number of viewers on upcoming worlds

There is no "we should probably just check" X, Y, or Z since there is no single, reliable metric one would use to measure anything as nebulous as popularity.

As for numbers, they can be easily manipulated. Case in point - video viewer numbers can be manipulated by using what are called computerized view farms or click farms to increase so-called "popularity" of video content. Similar manipulation of numbers can be done with mass purchasing of iTunes, where accounts are set up and people are given funds to go purchase iTunes so it appears songs are climbing the music charts with the ultimate goal of what? Increasing so-called popularity.

I could go on, but in the current environment where viewership of anything—anything at all— is so fragmented and easily manipulated that any attempt to define popularity by such a method becomes basically meaningless. Even comical.
 
I don't think Kaori gets nearly enough credit for redefining what it means to be a champion.
Well said. Kaori also shows how silly it is to compare skaters largely on Olympic results. She was a single toe loop away from leapfrogging Yamaguchi, Lipinski, Arakawa, and Kwan in career accomplishments if weighing Olympic gold most heavily (like many do). A single toe loop.
 
No, she's not.
This will be an unpopular view, but...

I think that people are more complicated than that. I think that two things can be true at the same time. I think that an athlete can not care about medals and at the same time, care about medals. I think that a skater can want to go out and perform for the audience and for her own satisfaction -- and also at the same time, if she does perform well, still feel gratified if her performance is acknowledged by texpert judges. I think that a skater can take charge of her own skating and still listen to the counsel of others.

As for Alysa, I frankly would be surprised and disappointed if she could be summed up in her entirety by a few glib catch-phrases.
 
To me, it's all part of the Alysa magic. No, she is not the first one to say, "I don't care about medals, I just want to put out a performance that I can be proud of."

But it might be the first time anyone believed it.
I think it's the first time it resonates with the wider public. Maybe because of the change in generations and culture, maybe a lot of American people needed this specific kind of aspiration - relaxed competence, as an escape from the daily doldrums of real life.

There are people who see Alysa's words from a cynical perspective, or even worse, think she's lazy and unserious about skating and therefore disrespectful to her competitors. But I think we can say that right now, they're staying in niche circles (such as, hm, figure skating fans).
 
People must not be listening to Alysa's actual words. So let's give it another go for the hard of hearing:

“The happiest I felt was, after I hit my ending pose, seeing everyone stand up and start roaring. I was like, ‘Oh hell yeah!’” she said. “But it wasn’t the winning part that made me feel good, it was actually the skate program I did. It was my favorite run through I’ve ever done. And the energy was insane. Everyone was cheering, clapping, dancing. I would do anything to skate that program and feel the energy of all those people again.”

This is Alysa Liu. And her feelings are not difficult to understand.

And since this is Oscars Night, I have to mention she looks fantastic in a Tux.

 
Still too soon to get concrete data of course, but we never had a figure skater amass 7,5 million new Instagram followers not even a month after her Olympic victory
LOL! That's because there was no Instagram or social media during much earlier Olympics, so Alysa's specific IG follower numbers cannot accurately be measured against, for e.g., Dorothy Hamill's huge popularity post the 1976 Olympics. Dorothy has often discussed the mountains of fan mail she received post-Olympics. Not to mention her influential hairstyle that became a viral fad in a very different way and time period.

John Curry's 1976 win and his balletic vision, added to Toller Cranston's unique creativity, had widespread impact, and led to popular artistic skating shows. The Battle of the Brians and Battle of the Carmens p.r. generated great interest pre and post the 1988 Olympics, which led to well-attended tours, and to the Emmy-winning television skating production of Carmen, starring Boitano, Kat Witt, and Brian Orser. I had always hoped more would come of that kind of creative, well-received, and well-produced collaboration. I suppose it did herald the huge popularity of skating shows on tv in the 1990s. Plus, pro events were a big deal in the late 1980s and into the 1990s, until they were killed off by fearful and unsavvy ISU and USfigsk honchos (who were afraid that interest in pro skaters would diminish interest in up-and-coming skaters). How clueless and wrong they were. :palmf: Furthering pro opportunities would have hugely benefited all skaters and vastly enriched the sport's growth, IMO!

In today's landscape, it is very difficult to know how the widespread interest in Alysa might benefit the sport. Is there anyone in a high position in the sport actively charting this most recent phenomenon and seeking the right kind of advice on how to measure and to leverage it for the sport's overall benefit? I seriously doubt that is happening. More likely, Alysa herself is being fielded lucrative offers. Every four years, when there are popular outcomes for high profile skaters at the Olympics, fans get excited and engage in varying versions of this same debate regarding whether the sport might benefit via more mainstream interest, and whether or not such interest immediately after the Olympics might be sustained. Aside, that is, from the 2022 Olympics when there was way too much negative publicity and detrimental outcomes, e.g., the music rights lawsuit's long shadow that continues to adversely impact skaters and fans.

Torvill/ Dean were hugely popular post the 1984 Olympic's Bolero. The huge interest did not translate into growing the sport, despite the sustained, iconic popularity of Bolero, and of Jayne & Chris. Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, and Scott Hamilton all personally benefited from their Olympic gold medal notoreity. Each of them parlayed their success into enormous contributions to the sport (re commentating; serving as role models; creating shows for pros and for eligible skaters; counseling skaters; doing benefit fundraising to aid the development of skaters, and so on). But none ever wielded enough insider ISU power to speak of that could somehow be translated into significant and sustained growth for the sport. Nor could their star power influence beneficial rules changes or help solve endemic problems the sport faces that have only become more complicated and chaotic. At this juncture, is it even possible or viable for figure skating to transcend being a niche sport? 🤔 Of course, there are skaters who have transcended the sport on a cultural level, including Michelle Kwan, and to certain degrees, Brian Boitano, Johnny Weir, Jason Brown, Nathan Chen, Adam Rippon, Denis Ten, Yuzuru Hanyu, Yuna Kim, et al. Most recently, of course, Ilia Malinin and the subject of this thread, Alysa Liu.

Still, even the 1994 Olympic's Tonya/ Nancy scandal was mischaracterized, misunderstood, and unwisely utilized mainly to make quick money on Battle of the Skating Stars genre of shows. The unfortunate incident might have been navigated more wisely. Instead of solely being focused on as titillating cultural entertainment, it could have been positioned more as a jumping off point or learning tool to generate fundamental, sustained, and historic interest in figure skating. IMO, there was absolutely a way to do that. But the opportunity was lost and fizzled out, only to become a punchline, and later a popular film, here and gone, completely disconnected to skaters' actual realities or to the sport's complex realities and current crises.

The basic and ongoing problem, IMO, is that there are no passionate power players within the sport who possess leadership and vision regarding helping figure skating evolve and update its complicated and antiquated competitive structure in beneficial ways. Again, I believe that's due in large part to speedskaters controlling the ISU. They do not understand and have never fundamentally understood figure skating. Their main concern has been continuing to fund and benefit speedskating via capitalizing on figure skating's larger revenue and more substantive niche popularity. Figure skaters, always the ISU's lowly stepchildren, have long been indoctrinated to go along to get along.
 
This will be an unpopular view, but...

I think that people are more complicated than that. I think that two things can be true at the same time. I think that an athlete can not care about medals and at the same time, care about medals. I think that a skater can want to go out and perform for the audience and for her own satisfaction -- and also at the same time, if she does perform well, still feel gratified if her performance is acknowledged by texpert judges. I think that a skater can take charge of her own skating and still listen to the counsel of others.

As for Alysa, I frankly would be surprised and disappointed if she could be summed up in her entirety by a few glib catch-phrases.
My "she's not" referred to Alysa being the first one who was believed :)
People who are popular are mostly believed, especially when they say things that people like to hear (whether this is their motive or not). This is one of the reasons they are paid millions for ads and PR of other companies and their products :)
 
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To me, it's all part of the Alysa magic. No, she is not the first one to say, "I don't care about medals, I just want to put out a performance that I can be proud of."

But it might be the first time anyone believed it.
No offense but I don't, not for a minute.

I don't blame her for pushing the line, and in fact rather like it as part of her public image, though.
 
An athlete raised since early childhood under extreme expectations to bring results which, alas, they did not bring, suddenly decides to make a come back to the top of competitive sport - which, let's be honest, on their terms or not, demands a lot of very hard work, many hours invested in training and a lot of money - just because they love the sport they announced they hated not so long ago, and without a care for medals, and by pure coincidence they happen to realize it all just in time to come back for the Olympic season, lol? That's just a bit too much to be the whole truth :laugh:
And, no, this is not blaming Alysa for anything, If it helps her to deal with the pressure, that's completely alright. But the way it is suddenly put up on banners? No.
 
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An athlete raised since early childhood under extreme expectations to bring results which, alas, they did not bring, suddenly decides to make a come back to the top of competitive sport - which, let's be honest, on their terms or not, demands a lot of very hard work, many hours invested in training and a lot of money - just because they love the sport they announced they hated not so long ago, and without a care for medals, and by pure coincidence they happen to realize it all just in time to come back for the Olympic season, lol? That's just a bit too much to be the whole truth :laugh:
And, no, this is not blaming Alysa for anything, If it helps her to deal with the pressure, that's completely alright. But the way it is suddenly put up on banners? No.
It was not exactly a coincidence that Alysa came back when she did. But yes, I believe when she left the sport abruptly as a teenager, it was because she genuinely wanted to enjoy life outside the sport, and she did not anticipate returning. She likely was also rebelling against the controlling decisions that had been made for her in the lead-up to 2022 Olympics and Worlds. Once she had the chance to enjoy life on her own terms, she obviously began to miss the rhythms, routines, and fun aspects of the skating world she grew up in. It's like the conflicting lyrics of the Laufey song she skated to. I just realized the song lyrics are: "It hurts to be something It's worse to be nothing With you." Not, 'without' you. LOL!

Maybe Alysa began to miss the sport within a year or so after leaving and she began contemplating a return, which took place the season prior to the Olympics. For sure, skaters idolize the Olympics and are motivated by the Olympics. However, she had no way of knowing how things would turn out. I was never that interested in all the hype surrounding Alysa. She's not one of my favorite skaters. But I was impressed by how her skating improved when she was tutored by Scali & Abbott in preparation for 2022. She had undergone puberty and had lost her money jumps, which she had a tendency to underrotate anyway. But with the help of Scali & Abbott, Alysa accessed something about herself and she learned how to be genuinely expressive on the ice. Still, I was not interested when she launched her comeback.

Obviously, Alysa puts in the work, and she has talent, but her career trajectory and success seem to be a lot about luck, timing, and being well-liked in large part due to the charming force of her personality. She's upbeat and delightful, not overly intense and obsessed, nor doubtful and anxious. It's like she was born under a lucky star, in addition to having put in the hard work of training that's a necessity. Reading about how she pierced her frenulum with her sister's help sounds scary and icky 👀, but the resultant 'smiley' jewelry looks good on her.
 
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