Jason Brown
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I'm surprised to see Jason and Ilia assigned to the same 2 events.
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Just my opinion but I think they're assigned to the same 2 events so that Ilia doesn't knock out Andrew or Jacob in the point aggregate for potential GPF. Jason is the sacrificial lamb. It would seem that Jason has indicated he would skate the GPs this season or they wouldn't have put him in that position. This season is beginning to sound like a soap opera with all the switching around with partners in ice and pairs and what I think are kind of strange GP assignments. My hope is that Jason comes in like gangbusters with 2 new and totally Jason-like programs. Would like to forget last years FS and music that only made sense to him.
Remember that on paper, USFS only controls Skate America entries. The other hosts decide who they want for their events. Of course, USFS may have asked another federation to take Malinin/Brown. Or they could have told them "Malinin will pick you if you also agree to take Brown".
USFS could well have chosen Jason because he is a fan favorite and they hope he can drive ticket sales.
I'm cautiously excited. Obviously if Jason had no intention at all of doing the GPs, he would have taken his name out of the hat like Bock and KamO. There's a chance he could still pull out, but I hope not.
I saw an Instagram post Jason was tagged in back before SOI US started where someone who trains in Chicago was saying it was so cool to watch Jason and Rohene cook up new things, so I feel like we have new material in the works. Also saw somewhere that he skated to You Raise Me Up at Japan's SOI, but I haven't seen any recordings of that, just someone saying that was his music for one of his solos.
A couple years back he did a short choreo to Sevdaliza's Human that I would LOVE to see a full version of, and have been hoping that it would be an SP announcement the last few years. Maybe this year? Will we finally get Jason Brown skating to the music of Jason Robert Brown? I guess we'll find out soon enough!
I saw an Instagram post Jason was tagged in back before SOI US started where someone who trains in Chicago was saying it was so cool to watch Jason and Rohene cook up new things, so I feel like we have new material in the works. Also saw somewhere that he skated to You Raise Me Up at Japan's SOI, but I haven't seen any recordings of that, just someone saying that was his music for one of his solos.
A couple years back he did a short choreo to Sevdaliza's Human that I would LOVE to see a full version of, and have been hoping that it would be an SP announcement the last few years. Maybe this year? Will we finally get Jason Brown skating to the music of Jason Robert Brown? I guess we'll find out soon enough!
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Will he or won't he? That is the question for both Ilia and Jason. I actually like the two assignments. He could skate a totally Jason program and do fine. No pressure! We'll see!
If Jason's goal is to compete at US Nationals he doesn't get an automatic bye this year like usual because he doesn't meet the criteria (see below). He will need to earn a bye by competing at fall competitions. That's why I wasn't completely shocked at seeing his name on the GP list. I'm delighted to to have the opportunity to see him skate another year. (It's also World Team Trophy year and we know how much he loves that competition!)
Source: 2027 USFS Bye and Advancement Criteria
Source: 2027 USFS Bye and Advancement Criteria
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He satisfies the 2nd clause:
Though he didn't compete at Worlds, he was selected. So, he passes the 2nd clause as presented in the referenced bye criteria document (but I didn't dive into the underlying rules that are referenced to see if they either contradict or clarify what is written).
So, he should be able to go to Nats without slumming it at a Challenger or Sr. B (though doing one as a warm up is probably a good idea).
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He was selected to the team but, when he declined, his status was changed to alternate and the criteria states (not including alternates).
It's certainly possible the USFS will decide he meets the bye criteria based on his initial selection.
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USFS vagueness strikes again. Why wouldn't they just say "Competed at ISU World Championship" and leave it at that.
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Yes, I agree that per the criteria written by USFS, Jason already has an automatic bye to 2027 Nats on the basis of his selection to 2026 World team (regardless of his eventual withdrawal) -- assuming that USFS is viewing him the same way as it viewed Hawayek/Baker just a few seasons ago.
H/B were on the original USFS list of 2024 Nats entries (as of late Nov 2023); they had a bye to 2024 Nats because USFS had selected them for 2023 World team (although they later withdrew from Worlds). H/B otherwise would not have qualified for 2024 Nats -- they were not eligible for any other type of bye: they did not compete at 2023 Nats, and they withdrew from their 2023-24 GP assignments.
(Ultimately, they ended up withdrawing from 2024 Nats.)
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That occurred to me before this. If his Bye was to be based on last year's results, I'm not sure he had one. But I'm not sure he didn't. But I'm sure that all things falling into place, Jason wants to do Nats this year and if he decides to leave competition afterward, it will be on a high note and not last year's Nats. I don't know how he feels about 2027 World's. It occurred to me that Japan might assign Shoma and Marin to NHK if they are ready. I think Jason would love to see Shoma in his new role! If he does actually do this season, I hope Jason has his best NHK performance ever! Just a really great performance that wows the audience!
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This is pure speculation on my part, but I feel like he chose SA and NHK as a bit of a farewell tour. He'll compete without the 3A, instead aiming for beauty and cleanliness. While medaling would be a bonus, I think he'll be skating primarily to delight and entertain with US Nats being his final farewell to competitive skating.
Or I'm completely wrong and he'll keep skating into his 40s and 50s for whatever he qualifies for, lol. It is, of course, 100% up to him. I'm just making guesses behind a keyboard.
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I think he, as well as Ilia and Alysa, are riding the high of SOI at the moment and made the wise choice to defer any big decisions until afterwards -- after they've had time to think and plan out the year ahead. It makes sense to take the initial assignments and decline later than to shut that door immediately. All that is just to say that I wouldn't take the assignments as a decision to compete -- just a decision to consider it at the very least. Just my two cents.
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I just don't think Jason would take assignments if he wasn't going to skate. And who would they replace him with? I was quite surprised when I saw Jimmy Ma had an assignment. That didn't make sense to me - no offense to Jimmy. But with Max and Tomoki not skating I bet USFS was glad Jason agreed to participate. Time will tell, but if he backs out now it's going to create a hassle for the federation. I just don't see Jason doing that!
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The ISU, would replace him with the next qualified skater. Easy peasy. The GP is not like the JGP where the feds decide who to send. Skaters are chosen by the ISU based on performance metrics and the skaters get to give location preferences (which are not guaranteed). The only thing USFS decides on is any leftover host spots for Skate America (GPUSA). Jason isn't really inconveniencing anyone if he chooses to reconsider after the initial announcement -- on the contrary, there would be two excited skater out there who get to compete in the GP series.
That's my take anyway. It's all academic and out of our hands. I'm just saying that Jason isn't locked into going to the GP. And what if it did piss off the ISU for him to back out? He's at the end of his career, what are they going to do? Not invite him next year?
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I'm well aware how they would replace Jason - but they skipped Kapekis, Martynov, Kazaki and Kovar to get to Jimmy Ma it would appear the pickings are getting pretty slim! Which was the point I was trying to make. With Max apparently not competing and Tomoki retiring....it will cause some challenges if Jason backs out. That's assuming the US wants to field competitive teams. And it's not in Jason's nature to piss anyone off.
I was going to post something like @Kevin Uxbridge did. But I realized that while that is true for NHK (he would be replaced by the top skater on the substitutes list), it's not necessarily true for Skate America. Technically all USA skaters as SkAm are host picks, and I believe as a host pick USFS could replace him by another USA skater (or anybody else they wanted?????) .
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Yes. When Evan Lysacek sadly had to withdraw from 2013 Skate America, USFS made good use of the host pick vacancy, giving a U.S. skater the opportunity to make his Grand Prix debut there.
The skater's name was Jason Brown. He placed second in the short program.
If/if/if Jason were to decide to withdraw from 2026 Skate America (not my wish), I hope/believe that USFS would give a U.S. skater the opportunity to fill the vacancy.
(My guess would be that Jason intends at this point to keep his 2026 GP assignments, but if he were to change his mind later, I hope that he would feel free to do whatever makes him happy.)
I think non-U.S. federations inviting skaters to their GPs would be scrutinizing ISU SB and ISU WS lists.
Not really placements at U.S. Nationals -- which I'm guessing is where your comment is coming from?
I don't see how Kapeikis and Kazanecki were "skipped ... to get to Ma." Canada invited Kapeikis, China invited Kazanecki, France invited Ma. One invitation for each.
My point of view is that Martynov and Kovar also were not skipped. They are below Ma on the ISU SB list. Also below Ma on the ISU WS list (as are Kapeikis and Kazanecki too).
