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Joesitz said:
Evan is not a has-been yet.
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Well, everybody thought that Evan is a has-been. Look at the prediction thread, nearly everybody had him off the podium!

Shame about the downgrade on the 3A, he would have won the LP otherwise.

Oh, way to go for Ten and Chipeur! I nearly forgot. They did all they can, impressive! Hopefully it gives them confidence.
 
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sisinka said:
Such a big score with popped axel? It looks like a bad jokes. I appreciate Patrick for his skating qualities but he doesn't deserve such big points.

4 Continents Championships is well know for extremely high scores. Takahashi himself (best skater due to world total score - he got this score at 4CC) said that 4CC score is hardly comparable with some others competitions and the fact that his score was bigger than Plushenko's didn't mean that his performance was really better.

Judges really wants Patrick to win Olympics. They show it everytime and everywhere. If Patrick will skate two awsome programs without any mistake and with 3axels and quad - well, he deserve Olympic title. But I will hardly disagree to see Olympic gold in hands of boy who makes many mistakes in his programs.
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But Takahashi had 2 quad toes and 2 3axels!! and He was clean(only mistake was his overrotated 3loop)!!
 
Medusa said:
At least Chan got positive GOE on his 1A-2T combo. You need to be rewarded for what you do. Even the randomn draw worked in his favour - on the Loop he got three times -1 GOE, but none of those got counted.

Hah! Kozuka's Quad didn't get downgraded! First time this season! He still fell - but no downgrade!


Of course. I am not interested in who won this thing. I am interested in the skates and how those skates are rewarded. And 10 points between Chan and Kozuka, Oda - that's just, I don't know, a joke? It says that Kozuka and Oda have to improve on something significantly. What is that? They have the best skating skills in the world, they are both musical, great jumping technique...
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I disagree. Yes they are even on skating skills but not on transitions, choreoghraghy, performance, and interpitation. Chan is a full level above all other skaters in that department(except Abbot sometimes.)
 
sisinka said:
....Well, take a look at Grand Prix Final.....he got total 205.16 points.....the 17th best season score....with two falls in short program and two falls in free skate. Are these high points really reflecting his bad skating in both of programs???
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It must be really frustrating for the other guys to see the scores of Chan.
 
sisinka said:
Are you sure of it?

Well, take a look at Grand Prix Final.....he got total 205.16 points.....the 17th best season score....with two falls in short program and two falls in free skate. Are these high points really reflecting his bad skating in both of programs???
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I am. If you look at scores for that event, Patrick was 22 points behind the leader in the free. After the short, he was again 15 points behind the leader. It's hard to compare scores for the same skater from one event to the next because of differences in the judging panels. Whether it was the 17th best season score this year or not, his score was crap for that event. Overall, he was 32 points behind the winner!!!!
 
Personally I think that the judges in this competition should be slowly sliced into a tiny bits with a rusty blade, but that's just me.
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Having seen the protocols I changed my mind. That would be too honorable a death. Perhaps slow bludgeoning to death and drowning in feces would be more appropriate.


hsuhs said:
But... why? Didn't you see it coming?
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No, at leats not until Men's SP. It's like I woke in a different Universe - and let me say you, I want back.

^ btw, the 3 ?s above, will remain unknown for me. When you think of Oda, Abbott, Kozuka, Chipeur, J.Ten v. Joubert, Ponsero, Contesti, What a Worlds this will be!
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I don't know about Worlds, but I think that everyone sans Patrick should concentrate on aiming for Sochi.
 
I still think Evan and Johnny Weir are medal contenders if only Johnny would have had a chance for Worlds. USA has alot of depth in men's skating and Japanese men are fantastic. Glad to see Canadians get medals in all disciplines. One of my favourites is Cynthia Phaneuf however i didnt see her as a strong contender before, just hope she can continue landing her jumps. She is just as good as the european champion.
 
luckyguy said:
It must be really frustrating for the other guys to see the scores of Chan.
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Actually, Evan was quoted as saying how inspiring Patrick's short program scores were and congratulated him. I think there is great respect among the competitiors. Patrick eluded to this in his interview following his win by saying how great and friendly all the skaters were.
 
Okami said:
I don't know about Worlds, but I think that everyone sans Patrick should concentrate on aiming for Sochi.
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I think they might have problems in Sochi too considering Patrick is a good deal younger than most of them!!!
 
enlight78 said:
I disagree. Yes they are even on skating skills but not on transitions, choreoghraghy, performance, and interpitation. Chan is a full level above all other skaters in that department(except Abbot sometimes.)
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Is that the general argument now: Chan is just superior on everything?

Well, since you say so and the judges say so, we have to accept it then. Perhaps they should just let Chan jump a Triple Axel at Worlds and Olympics, the most difficult jump he can do - if he manages that - just give him the Gold already, since it is common law that he is above everyone else and nobody comes even close.
 
I can't talk with expertise so this is JMO. To me it restores my confidence in COP that the judges can quantify the difference between Patrick and the others.

Both Oda and Kozuka are wonderful skaters but they are not complete yet in their presentation. Evan isn't even in their league, he's just very strong. The jumps are not the only thing in COP, thank heavens. The fact that Evan is second shows how balanced the system is, actually.

I would be very disturbed if the perfect beauty of Patrick's skating was not recognized in the scores. I can only compare him to Johnny, but he's faster and stronger. (Hoping Johnny will change that next season.)

Again, JMO.
 
Medusa said:
Is that the general argument now: Chan is just superior on everything?

Well, since you say so and the judges say so, we have to accept it then. Perhaps they should just let Chan jump a Triple Axel at Worlds and Olympics, the most difficult jump he can do - if he manages that - just give him the Gold already, since it is common law that he is above everyone else and nobody comes even close.
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Is it just me or is there more to skating than jumps?
 
i think the only peson that can maybe match patrick at his level of Presentation is maybe Buttle and Takahashi( I always thought lambiel was kind of stiff) One is retired and the other having a injury time out. But Chan is still not consistant. Brian quads also give him a good chance.Worlds is still up for grabs.
 
luckyguy said:
It must be really frustrating for the other guys to see the scores of Chan.
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It probably is frustrating. But - based on what's been posted by those who watched - other medal contenders were not clean. They needed to be 150 % perfect to beat Chan, and they were not.
 
Medusa said:
Is that the general argument now: Chan is just superior on everything?

Well, since you say so and the judges say so, we have to accept it then. Perhaps they should just let Chan jump a Triple Axel at Worlds and Olympics, the most difficult jump he can do - if he manages that - just give him the Gold already, since it is common law that he is above everyone else and nobody comes even close.
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You are beginning to sound as if you have sour grapes...
 
I remember seeing Chan at World Junior 2007, when Stephen Carrier won gold that year. I know that he had high potential, the way he glided on the ice, nobody can deny that. However, with many mistakes and still got World record just blew my mind. I think if the judges would mark him more accurately, he might still beat Evan, but just by hair, and NO world record :p.

This brings us back to the hot topic, the PCS and GOE could make anyoone a winner with not so good technical marks. Is this the way this sports should be?? The judges control the results, over 60- 70% of the total scores?? The same happened with Jeff Buttle when he won Worlds wihtout quad but high marks in PCS. In Jeff's case, at least he got all his jumps in, including two 3A. The base marks on tech scores were almost gimmick :laugh:, since judges can manipulate the tech scores with GOE in any direction they wanted, - or +.
 
Here is the final result for the men:

http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc2009/CAT001RS.HTM

I am extremely happy for Patrick :clap: . When he was sixteen, the quality of his skating was already evident.

I am glad that Takahiko made the podium. The quality of his skating is also self-evident.

I feel badly for Nobunari and others, but they cannot all be on the podium, and I think it was a good return for Nobu, and he can build on it. I hope that Jeremy will be in excellent health for Worlds.

Congratulations to all who made the top ten! That is good practice for Worlds ;)
 
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