Mens' LP
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- Dec 15, 2003
I think its just the judges really appreciate chan´s skating. If he were Japanese, american or Korean he could be getting the same scores.
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I should hope not. He's always been on my A List, but this is only one 2-part competition, which he succeed in doing well,, and congrats for that. however, he has also bombed in other venues when he skated comps.
Unfortunately, the confirmation of this skate will be in LA, and Jeremy may feel more comfortable, and Evan is cool, he will rise to the occasion. But all of them will have to face Joubert and the European judges. I do miss Daisuke.
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Thanks.
At TEB he scored 81.39 for clean SP and 156 for a cleanish LP with two ratified axels (even though one wasn't quite clean). Big scores, but acceptable - with a clean LP he would scored around 160-163 which would be exactly in the range of Buttle's or Oda's scores for programs with similar content.
Canadians, 4CC... What do they have in common again?
If you look at the protocols, there are some spots that I think make it more obvious why Chan beat Kozuka. The margins weren't as big this time, so I think there can be less argument.
In the short, one of Kozuka's spins wasn't counted at all. If one was just watching the short, this would probably be pretty hard to pick up on. After the short, they were about 4 points apart (most likely the points his spin would have earned).
in the long, Kozuka was ahead in TES by about 3 pts, but Chan was ahead in PCs by just under 5 pts. Incorporate Kozuka's -1 for a fall and voila! Chan wins by 3 points. Kozuka's fall would have been more marring to hs program than Chan's touchdowns, IMO.
I don't think this result was so outrageous. People will always be angry their favourite didn't win, but I don't think it's with getting your panties in a twist is it?
The fact that Chan won both?
I know that's obviously not what you're implying but I realy don't think it's fair to say that Chan won only because it was in Canada. Maybe it's just me, but Chan was amazing in the short, and made one mistake in the long. It's not his fault no one else stepped up to the plate.
I feel like slapped with a cold fish!
The judges might as well spare the skaters embarrassment, give the gold to Chan before the event, and the rest could just play paper-rock-scissors.
It makes it very obvious that one good skater was overscored, while other good skaters were low-balled. (>.>)
The judges might as well spare the skaters embarrassment, give the gold to Chan before the event, and the rest could just play paper-rock-scissors.
It makes it very obvious that one good skater was overscored, while other good skaters were low-balled. (>.>)
I guess I just really disagree. If anything, the GPF is proof that Patrick Chan isn't held up just because he's Patrick Chan.
Yep... In other countries.
I guess if a program with 6 clean triples (Chan, TEB LP) beats a program with 8 clean triples (Kozuka, TEB LP), jumps are really not everything, as some ppl in this thread keep saying. Given that Takahiko Kozuka isn't exactly KvdP of figure skating and has his own quite recognizable skating style.
I'm trying to understand what's necessary for winning these days. I'm sure if other men knew, they'd try to learn those skills. If it's about certain skills.
Chan was good in the short, but no amazing. If you want learn what is amazing watch Joubert's short at Europeans.
He won TEB in FRANCE!
I'm actually really sick of hearing about the "unfair" Canadian judging. Canada has a strong team this year. They're performing well in front of their home country. Their performance should be admired, not picked apart by people who perceive unfairness because their favourites didn't perform as well as was desired.
I agree that Joubert was good technically speaking. I'm not a big fan of his style-wise though. JMO and I know people disagree. His pelvic thrusts just don't do it for me.
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I agree that Joubert was good technically speaking. I'm not a big fan of his style-wise though. JMO and I know people disagree. His pelvic thrusts just don't do it for me.
Joubert knows how to connect with the audience. chan? not yet.
skatingbc, do you believe that Chan deserved positive GOE on every jump element for his LP here?
By acting like a Chippindale's dancer? Not my cup of tea. I agree that he's entertaining, but I just prefer a more classical style.
Also, when Chan skates a clean performance and puts everything hes got into his skate, he gives me the chills. If that's not connecting with the audience, then I don't know what is.
We just obviously prefer different styles. Just because Chan doesn't connect with you personally doesn't mean he doesn't connect with someone out there.
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Congrats to Patrick, Evan and Takahiko. I am just getting in and missed the competiton. I will have to catch it on IN on demand. Meanwhile I am
going to read this very long thread to get up to speed.
going to read this very long thread to get up to speed.
I haven't seen it, which I have stated numerous times. That said, I know that he is perfectly capable of achieving positive GOE on his jump elements. Maybe he shouldn't have received +GOE on the single axel combo, but 0.10 isn't really that relevant. If he skated how many posters said he skated before everybody started complaining about the judging, then I don't see why not.
