Sure they have why wouldn't they.USFS doesn't appear to have released full protocols with base value and GOE per element.
Sure they have why wouldn't they.USFS doesn't appear to have released full protocols with base value and GOE per element.
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=365949&postcount=4If there are full protocols, I'd appreciate a link
Joe, as casken pointed out, people can interpret "beautiful" to mean different things. Stephane seems to agree, too: There is no truth in figure skating, I think, this is a subjective sport: you can like someone or not.
Thanks! I didn't see all of US Nats so I can't really offer an opinion as to the judging - by the time I watched, I was already aware of the results so I didn't have a chance to form my own thoughts independent of that. It's also hard for me to say whether Evan desrved better because I'm usually not really into his performances.
Joe, I disagree. People's different perceptions of beauty mean that it's an extremely difficult thing to quantify and try to assess objectively. I don't think there's one standard. There may be cultural preferences, personal preferences etc., and while some forms of art may appeal to more people, it's very hard to say objectively "this is beautiful". All you can say is "this is beautiful to me" or "many people find this beautiful". It's not an exact science. The evaluation of Swan queens which you used as an example is also subjective, and may differ based on who's judging, on what the concept is for that specific interpretation fo Swan Lake, or on the culture in which it is performed.Joesitz said:Buttercup - I presume you mean different judges - different scores. I am aware of the different perceptions of beauty. However, there is a standard. In the Dance world, all Swan Queens are not equal although they all do the same steps. Eventually, one emerges as the 'best' for that role until another comes along.
I was very surprised that he said that Abott was "held up." an artistic skater himslef, I am surprised that he thought that Evan skated well enough to win.
The implication is that he thought Evan should have won which is weird. What in his eyes did Evan do that was so superior? I wonder if he also thought Jeremy should not have won the GP Final.
Joe, as casken pointed out, people can interpret "beautiful" to mean different things. Stephane seems to agree, too: There is no truth in figure skating, I think, this is a subjective sport: you can like someone or not.
Maybe he just watched Evan and Johnny, whom he probably knows well from their years in competition together. I got the feeling that the people being held up/undermarked comment was more of a general complaint in regard to the system. Stephane is not the kind of guy who would mention names of people who seem to be benefiting from this because obviously it's the judges' fault, not the skaters'.
I don't quite get the "Evan Lysacek, he was skating not bad, he could win with what he did, but he was third" remark. I don't see how Evan could possibly win this one.
Forget about those (inflated?) PCS for a sec, take a look at the TES alone.
http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/34540/results.html
SP
Jeremy Abbott: 46.79 (the best)
Evan Lysacek: 45.30 (2nd best)
Brandon Mroz: 42.91 (4th best)
Ryan Bradley: 39.16 (6th best)
Johnny Weir: 33.54 (12th best)
FS
Brandon Mroz: 82.12 (1st)
Ryan Bradley: 76.85 (2nd)
Jeremy Abbott: 75.49 (3rd)
Evan Lysacek 72.73 (4th)
Johnny Weir 63.87 (8th)
Kind of shows who was seriously "held up" in both programs.
If there were no PCS, Mroz would have won, not Lysacek. Abbott would have been 2nd.
In all fairness to Stephane, he also noted that PCS scores were used to keep him in the mix when he screwed up (2008 Euros). Maybe he doesn't think his 2007-8 GPF scoring was problematic.Funny he is now complaining about how PCS are used when he, Stephane Lambiel, won the 2007-2008 GPF due to high PCS scores.
In all fairness to Stephane, he also noted that PCS scores were used to keep him in the mix when he screwed up (2008 Euros). Maybe he doesn't think his 2007-8 GPF scoring was problematic.
So he's hypocritic about it.Funny he is now complaining about how PCS are used when he, Stephane Lambiel, won the 2007-2008 GPF due to high PCS scores.
So he's hypocritic about it.
Lambiel: I still don’t understand how they call components: Usually all the marks in the components are almost the same. It’s not logical!
Interviewer : Yes, but the same way they "saved" you in Zagreb during your short program where you made a very simple triple-double toe combination.
Stephane : "Yeah, I know, but that’s not right!..."
I would really have liked to hear him singing that tune in Portuguese which I am sure he was doing.found a new video showing the humours side of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLSX47XQwKo
Tango
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQnOgubK_OQ
Who really knows with the way journalists edit interviews and articles?
reut - first off welcome to Golden Skate - post often, post long!
and second - were you the author of the interview?