Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

[Medusa]

That's true. Lysacek is a twice holder of World bronze medals.. If he keeps on this current roll, he will easily be a contender for gold in Vancouver. We know Joubert falters more than we like to see. as does Jeremy Abbott. We know, too that Patrick Chank can do better. All others are not top competitors for gold, however we have not seen:

Evgeni Plushenko
Daisuke Takahashi
the ever popular Johnny Weir. These three plus Evan, Brian, Patrick, and Jeremy will be the ones we talk about before, during and after the contest.

How about Kozuka and Oda? Brezina? Verner? Ponsero?

If Lysacek wins Olympics, I will be deeply disappointed. I am not saying that he doesn't deserve the World Title or his Bronze medals (though we could discuss about 2005). But if Lysacek won, it would mean that the rest of the field faltered badly. And I just don't want to see that. I would prefer a man with good jumps, great style and some musicality on the top of the podium. If that means Chan becomes the Olympic Champion, so be it.

 

[Buttercup]

How about Kozuka and Oda? Brezina? Verner? Ponsero?

I mostly agree. Verner's a headcase but if he finally stops doing variations on his Hidden Czech routine, he's probably unbeatable. Kozuka and Oda likely won't threaten for gold, but they are probably more likely than Johnny and Jeremy to contend for medals, unless Johnny drops his generic choreo and goes back to being Johnny, and Jeremy stops being a headcase. For Michal it's probably too soon; his focus should be Sochi. Ponsero will be lucky to even get sent after his performances the last two years at Worlds. He'd have to skate really well up to Olys for FFSG to consider it.

If Lysacek wins Olympics, I will be deeply disappointed. I am not saying that he doesn't deserve the World Title or his Bronze medals (though we could discuss about 2005). But if Lysacek won, it would mean that the rest of the field faltered badly. And I just don't want to see that. I would prefer a man with good jumps, great style and some musicality on the top of the podium. If that means Chan becomes the Olympic Champion, so be it.

Mostly agreed again :agree: . Evan's never won any title he shouldn't have (ok, 2008 Nats are probably debatable) but he needs others to screw up in order to have any real shot at winning the OGM, and that would basically mean a repeat of Torino. I don't want that.

I can't join you for the "if Chan wins so be it" because IMO Patrick's personal style is still a work in progress. I'm kind of curious what he might do if he doesn't even medal and ends up in the mix for Sochi - sort of like 1998 Yagudin vs. 2002 Yagudin (and by this I'm not implying Chan is in any way Yagudin-like ). By then he might be a much more interesting skater. If that ends up being the case, I'm good with Patrick, Michal and Denis Ten for the 2014 podium, in whatever order. Or Florent. 2014 could end up being fun, and there will be no big time difference to spoil it for me .

 

[Medusa]

2014 could end up being fun, and there will be no big time difference to spoil it for me .

Till then one of us (or even both of us) might be rich enough to actually, you know, go there and see it live.

 

[Buttercup]

Till then one of us (or even both of us) might be rich enough to actually, you know, go there and see it live.

I hadn't thought of that... But you're right! That would be cool . For now my goal is to make it to TEB or, better yet, Euros - at some point.

Technically I have enough money in the bank to go to Vancouver. But I don't think that's happening, not to mention the tickets are probably sold out by now.

 

[antmanb]

I hadn't thought of that... But you're right! That would be cool . For now my goal is to make it to TEB or, better yet, Euros - at some point.

Completely off topic but i have been in Paris twice for a work conference while TEB has been on. One year i tried to ditch the conference to see if I could sneak out and get last minute tickets to the event, but got caught trying to leave the hotel :scowl:

Apparently sheffield have made a bid for Europeans 2012 and though it's unlikely i have my fingers crossed. If Worlds or Europeans were ever held in the UK again i'd book the week off work and fork out for all event tickets, whether i can afford it or not!

Ant

 

[seniorita]

Ponsero will be lucky to even get sent after his performances the last two years at Worlds.

Yes but you remember his euros lp?he was awesome there. I prefer him than Préaubert.

I can see Kozuka or Oda on the podium, or maybe I want to see them there.
Kozuka has a lot of personal style for his age, Oda is adorable but skates like he is chased ..Brezina and Ten are too newbies but you never know.. I think in this Olympics pontium has not enough places.

Technically I have enough money in the bank to go to Vancouver. But I don't think that's happening, not to mention the tickets are probably sold out by now.

we have made application for volunteers for Vancouver, my biggest fear is that they will send me in alpine skiing during figure skating competition..

 

[Buttercup]

Yes but you remember his euros lp?he was awesome there. I prefer him than Préaubert.

Yes, he was fantastic in the LP at Euros :agree:. But that's just my point - FFSG took a risk by sending him to Worlds because while Yannick is potentially better than Alban, he usually doesn't live up to his potential. And this risk clearly didn't pay off. I think unless Yannick really impresses on the GP circuit and at Euros, his assignment, at best, will be Torino rather than Vancouver.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

How about Kozuka and Oda? Brezina? Verner? Ponsero?

If Lysacek wins Olympics, I will be deeply disappointed. I am not saying that he doesn't deserve the World Title or his Bronze medals (though we could discuss about 2005). But if Lysacek won, it would mean that the rest of the field faltered badly. And I just don't want to see that. I would prefer a man with good jumps, great style and some musicality on the top of the podium. If that means Chan becomes the Olympic Champion, so be it.

It's just my opinion. I do not see Kozuka Oda, Brezina, Ponsero and Verner in the top 5, although I would like to see them all skate their best.

Like Horse Racing, you have to give odds. I'm pretty much do not see anything new for those we've mentioned. However, the odds will change as they do in Horse Racing in the months to come. I'm not predicting anything yet but I do see Chan, Lysacek and Joubert as the Front Runners at this point in time.

(I would like to see Ponsero or Brezina to win - but they are long shots.) If I predict, it come from my head; not my heart.

 

[merrybari]

Lysacek won 2005 Worlds bronze medal. He has never won anything in Olympics. In 2006 Oympics, Plushenko got gold, Lambiel got silver, and Jeffrey Buttle got bronze. Lysacek was fourth after all. Then in the 2006 Worlds, Plushenko did not go, Lambiel got gold, Joubert got silver, and Lysacek got bronze.

Oh, well, I read your post again. Maybe you did mean the same thing. Sorry.

Yep, we did say the same thing. My reference to the medal win was the 2006 Worlds, not Olympics but I can see where it might have been confusing.

 

[seniorita]

FFSG took a risk by sending him to Worlds because while Yannick is potentially better than Alban, he usually doesn't live up to his potential.

I have forgotten they might not send him in Olympics until you mentioned it. Is it better to send a skater that even in his best his scores lower?maybe it is only me , I find préaubert 's jumps with bad technique and his presentation boring at least, he has interesting music choice and personality on ice, but his posture is so bad and he looks very sloppy, I feel like he is doing a wrong sport. At least Ponsero is exciting when he skates at his potential and *please dont jump all over me* I think his skating is better than Jouberts. He just needs more competitions and experience.
I dunno, maybe they ll send him to Worlds in Torino as you said when half men will have retired.

 

[Buttercup]

I have forgotten they might not send him in Olympics until you mentioned it. Is it better to send a skater that even in his best his scores lower?maybe it is only me , I find préaubert 's jumps with bad technique and his presentation boring at least, he has interesting music choice and personality on ice, but his posture is so bad and he looks very sloppy, I feel like he is doing a wrong sport. At least Ponsero is exciting when he skates at his potential and *please dont jump all over me* I think his skating is better than Joubert's. He just needs more competitions and experience.
I dunno, maybe they ll send him to Worlds in Torino as you said when half men will have retired.

Well, there are things that Yannick can do better than Brian. But the inconsistency just kills his chances, because it also hurts his PCS when he is good (like Euros). Ponsero's been skating as a senior for several years now (GPs since 2005-6, Euros and Worlds since 2006-7). He's also not a teenager, so I don't think it's lack of experience or his age. He's not solid on some of the triples and in addition, I get the feeling something in his mental preperation just isn't working. Unless that's fixed, I can't see his federation taking a chance on him.

 

[Jaana]

I would love Lambiel coming back to eligible skating, but unfortunately I see it as very unlikely. About Plushenko in 2010 Olympics, I think that he will see that it will not be easy to compete again seriously. Just remembering the returning male pros in 1994 Olympics. So much hype about them, but it was Urmanov who won the gold and of the pros none was on the podium

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I would love Lambiel coming back to eligible skating, but unfortunately I see it as very unlikely. About Plushenko in 2010 Olympics, I think that he will see that it will not be easy to compete again seriously. Just remembering the returning male pros in 1994 Olympics. So much hype about them, but it was Urmanov who won the gold and of the pros none was on the podium

There is no doubt in my mind that ALL the Men will skate their best in one competition but if 2,3, do, it makes for a better competition to watch. I think we have a group of sporting Men out there for 2009 Olys.

It's not totally unusual to have a long shot appear on the podium which Evan was at Worlds 2005 and 2006.

We need a sign:

STAMP OUT MELTDOWNS​

 

[evangeline]

We need a sign:

STAMP OUT MELTDOWNS​

I agree!

But hoping for an Olympic competition without some meltdowns is like hoping for a figure skating competition without some sequins. Not likely.

 

[seniorita]

Well, there are things that Yannick can do better than Brian.

You are right. I think i was thinking a hypothetical day that joubert and ponsero would skate the skate of their lives. And in this day Ponsero is much better than Joubert in my opinion. Nice jumps, his basic skating, he is fast and I like his posture a lot and his music choices. In the reality as it happens, there is no comparison, I believe that part of an athlete beside talent , preparation and to some point also luck, is his character on ice and nerves and Ponsero tends to be a headcase.

Just remembering the returning male pros in 1994 Olympics. So much hype about them, but it was Urmanov who won the gold and of the pros none was on the podium

If history repeats itself, Lutai should be the next OC!

 

[Ximena]

Just in case some info about Plush schedule in the upcoming months:

June 15 - 28, 2009 Tartu, Estonia. Training Camp.
July 6 - 18, 2009 Pinzolo, Italy. Training Camp
July 20 - August 2, 2009 Mittenwald, Germany. Training camp

This is what Pissiev said Plush schedule will be, it's from the last interview Pissiev did last week after Plush passed his medical exam in Moscow to be included in the Russian team.

August: 3-4 shows. SP and parts of his FS.
August 20th: Test Skate.
Russian Cup (?): stages in Samara (September)
Regional competiton in St. Petersburg.
Finalnd Trophy: not confirmed.
October: ISU GP Cup of Russia.
December: Panin Memorial, St. Petersburg.
December: Nationals.
January: Euros.
February: If things have worked out by then, then Olys.

Plushenko programs for the 2009-2010 season. Both arrangement by Edvin Marton.
SP. Music from The Pianist.
FS. Tango.

For what is worth, I'm a huge fan of him and I'm also in the "I believe it when I see it" stage, but he is in a very good shape right now, so he does seem to be training a lot lately.

And in case you want to see Plush trying to break some kind of record of skating in really small places, here you go. (thank to Yulya!)

http://www.kp.ru/video/ The one with Bilan singing, Plush appears around 1minute30.

 

[jennylovskt]

SP. Music from The Pianist.

Thank you so much, Ximena! I love the music in the movie The Pianist. Very intense. Don't know which one he's going to be using? I am looking forward to seeing his program. I have feeling that it's going to be really good!:yes:

 

[Ximena]

Well but, in any case, it's a Edvin Marton's version of it.

 

[seniorita]

thanx Ximena for all this info, wow he is keeping busy!

And in case you want to see Plush trying to break some kind of record of skating in really small places, here you go.

lol, that is too small for plushy!

Well but, in any case, it's a Edvin Marton's version of it.

Is Marton going to butcher chopin?
do you know if he keeps working with melissa and dennis?they were supposed to go to st peters in june, but he doesnt mention them lately :scratch:...the choreographer with crazy hair again...

 

[evangeline]

Well but, in any case, it's a Edvin Marton's version of it.

Oh no...the music of The Pianist is beautiful enough already. Now I have the feeling that the SP will look like every other Marton program Plushenko has done..