Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

[evangeline]

Hmmm, that was one of the factors indeed. But I wasn't on this board at the time Yagudin was competing. Many fans were angry at Plushenko for his 2006 Olympic performances and most of them seemed to have been generalizing Plushenko's skating based on that particular event alone ever since.

I must agree with this. I wasn't posting on this board back then, but I remember the general feeling (for me, at least) was frustration: Plushenko could've done much better than what he actually did in 2006...but he didn't. It's sort of like finding out that you've won the lottery, but realizing that the cash prize--after all the tax deductions, mysteriously appearing relatives, etc--only amounts to about $50.00. We want our Olympic champions to win in a blaze of glory, not with blazing windmill arms and half-hearted choreography.

 

[kudryavka]

Wow, this board was once a Plushenko basher's heaven. Now, it's different! At least, both sides are even.

Yes. Most people of here disliked Plushenko until recently (except seniorita. ) So I didn't want to read this board.. I don't like a debate with people who have different opinion very much. But now, even I can read GS. I'm happy

 

[elanna]

Voldemort is back! I wonder who will be Harry Potter?

 

[Koboldspike]

Yes. Most people of here disliked Plushenko until recently (except seniorita. ) So I didn't want to read this board.. I don't like a debate with people who have different opinion very much. But now, even I can read GS. I'm happy

So am I!!! Many regards to all of you mushrooms When I started to read this forum quite a while ago I was, frankly, shocked. I mean, everybody has the right to utter his/her opinion, but the contempt some people seem to feel concerning Evgeni utterly annoyed and surprised me. Sometimes I thought we were talking about a different person, especially concerning his skating skills. Up to the end of my days I will marvel about comments like " he can`t skate" and so on. Very strange... He didn`t buy his 52 or so gold medals on a bazar, did he?But at least we can agree on one thing: Plushenko rarely fails to stir up emotions, may it be frank adoration or disgust. He doesn`t leave you cold like so many skaters do who might be very good but bore you to death. I always liked the skating of Tatiana Totmianina, for example, but she had the aura of an ice cube.Concerning the 2006 Olympics: what the heck was so awful about his performance in the free skate? He delivered the goods, as far as I am concerned. Why on earth should he have risked his gold medal by showing off? Moreover I can`t imagine him not being nervous. He is a human being, after all. Sorry for writing such a long comment, but it was overdue for me
Hi, rainisland! How are you and T.?

 

[Koboldspike]

It appears many were upset that Plushy made such a shambles of the '06 men's competition. If they were to be more honest, they might have stopped and placed some blame on the skaters who failed to skate up to their potential.

Absolutely right. It`s not his fault that the other top skaters fell apart in either their short or their free programme. And thank God he brings back some excitement (and glamour) to figure skating. This sport needs real characters.

 

[chloe]

Voldemort is back! I wonder who will be Harry Potter?

Who is Voldemort?New catch name for Plusenko?Funny Comparison!

 

[plushyta]

Thank you, rainisland! Welcome Plushyta!

Wow, this board was once a Plushenko basher's heaven. Now, it's different! At least, both sides are even

Thank you for your nice welcome

And it was time to come! I guess you did not think that will remain permanently - where is your sense of "fair play"?
... two sides.... Plushenko and all the other?

Yagudin retired.

Very, very, veeeeeery long time ago ... and I do not see, what he has to do with Plushy? :scratch:
Plushenko is, thanks for your interest - very young and in very good shape

...but I remember the general feeling (for me, at least) was frustration: Plushenko could've done much better than what he actually did in 2006....
We want our Olympic champions to win in a blaze of glory, not with blazing windmill arms and half-hearted choreography.

Which "we"? :scratch:
We here have been very satisfied, because Evgeni finally got his long desired Oly Gold.
Oh, my God ... 4 minutes average skating (for its standards) was MUCH MORE, than others provided that night ... and does not include the other 10,000 minutes of pleasure, which Evgeni provided years for me and my friends

Voldemort is back! I wonder who will be Harry Potter?

Do not be afraid - I will to defend you from Plushy! ..... although I'm not Harry Potter

 

[nubka]

Hey, I've been a fan of Plushy's all along, and I even like his 2006 Oly programs..!

 

[Tonichelle]

fans that are upset that any board is not friendly towards their skater so they don't post need to realize - if no one posts FOR that skater then OF COURSE that board is going to seem less friendly.

Not everyone is going to agree. That's why there are skater specific fan boards, certainly, GS prides itself on having general discussion where all skaters and their fans are represented... it's just us loudmouths (those that can't seem to stay off of here) that seem to gather the most attention for our favorites. Jump in and gush! Jump in and discuss! Jump in and debate! It makes it more fun when we don't all agree on the exact same stuff!

 

[kudryavka]

Voldemort is back! I wonder who will be Harry Potter?

Shh! Don't say his name. After this, you should call him 'He who must not be named' Harry is.. Chan or Takahashi maybe. lol

 

[Buttercup]

Not everyone is going to agree. That's why there are skater specific fan boards, certainly, GS prides itself on having general discussion where all skaters and their fans are represented... it's just us loudmouths (those that can't seem to stay off of here) that seem to gather the most attention for our favorites. Jump in and gush! Jump in and discuss! Jump in and debate! It makes it more fun when we don't all agree on the exact same stuff!

Thanks, Toni!

I really don't think there's anything wrong with people here being critical of Plushenko, or of any other skater. I post here because I'd much rather have a debate with people than go to my favorites' fan forums to gush. Gushing is boring, but replying to seniorita's posts is fun .

For all those who brought up 2006 Olys, of course Plushy desrved his gold. But it would have been much nicer if he'd skated one of his more exciting programs from a few years earlier than the uninspired stuff he showed up with.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

No one is saying that Plushenko should not have won the 2006 Olys. He gave a subpar competitive skate, and imo, he was lucky that the best of competitors were less than grand that day. But maybe not, when the protocols show his spins were the best..... yeah. the high scores were justified? ... hmm.

 

[Mathman]

But maybe not, when the protocols show his spins were the best..... yeah.

Well, not exactly. Total GOEs on spins were

Lambiel 2.36
Buttle 2.14
Weir 2.14
Lysacek 1.72
Plushenko 1.71

So the judges were not overly impressed on the spins.

Plushenko did help himself out , though, by playing the CoP better than anyone else. He did two level four change-edge combination spins (CCoSp4 in the protocols -- this would not be allowed under the current rules, but it was OK in 2006). This spin had the highest base value i(3.50) of any spin on the list.

For some reason Lambiel, the best spinner, chose to do spins with less base value, includintg a level two FCo spin. This was an error on the part of the choreographer or coach. Stephane never really tried to work the CoP to his advantage.

None of this mattered, however. Plushenko's first six elements right out of the box were 4T+3T+2Lo, 3A+2T, 3Lo, 3A, 3Lz, 3Lz+2T. It's a sport, not a beauty contest. Taking care of business. Game over.

 

[Buttercup]

All Plushy did was use the new scoring system better than the others. I think it was cop many were upset with - but rather than admitting it they complained that Plushy wasn't as artistic looking as he had been under 6.0. Plushy did not change the rules - he simply used his superior technique to take advantage them.

Yes, Plushy played the system. But I don't think a CoP program has to be paint by numbers to score well, although sadly many high scoring programs are just that. Plushenko could have skated more interesting programs and still maxed his levels, and he chose not to. CoP does mean certain rules that skaters must stick to in order to score well, but it is possible to put together a program that will get a great score without sacrificing expression, coherence and artistic integrity. That's the kind of skating I'd like to see win OGMs in Vancouver.

I think 2006 was Lambiel's rebellious year, when he wouldn't ruin his spins to get the levels. At Worlds there were a lot of skaters who had better spin levels than he did.

 

[Dee4707]

No one is saying that Plushenko should not have won the 2006 Olys. He gave a subpar competitive skate, and imo, he was lucky that the best of competitors were less than grand that day.

I agree with the quote above. I just felt cheated over his lackluster performance. I've always liked Evgeny and I expected more from him, that's all.

 

[chloe]

Or if someone had skate too good , he would push also Plusenko to take out his best self.
Interesting analysis about protocols in spins, his basic values were ok by judges, not overmarked and not better marked than Labiel.
I agree with the one who said he playd the system well.

 

[jennylovskt]

I just felt cheated over his lackluster performance. I've always liked Evgeny and I expected more from him, that's all.

Dee, when will you get over with it? Or will you ever get over with it?

 

[Dee4707]

Dee, when will you get over with it? Or will you ever get over with it?

Probably not!!! I can't tell you how excited I was to see his skate at the Olympics. Since this discussion centers around Evgeny that is who I am directing my responses. When he was finished I thought ....Is that All There Is....which is an old song from Peggy Lee. Again all I can say is I felt cheated, I still feel cheated and probably will always feel that way. That doesn't mean I don't like him or don't respect him for being a great skater. In his Olympic skate he left me, us out of the equation. He didn't perform for us!!! Boo to Evgeny!!!

 

[antmanb]

Probably not!!! I can't tell you how excited I was to see his skate at the Olympics. Since this discussion centers around Evgeny that is who I am directing my responses. When he was finished I thought ....Is that All There Is....which is an old song from Peggy Lee. Again all I can say is I felt cheated, I still feel cheated and probably will always feel that way. That doesn't mean I don't like him or don't respect him for being a great skater. In his Olympic skate he left me, us out of the equation. He didn't perform for us!!! Boo to Evgeny!!!

You better get running from seniorita Dee

Ant

 

[seniorita]

what happened here, at first i thought I entered wrong forum plush's forums came for a visit?
were you polite, did you offer them a drink?

You better get running from seniorita Dee

give me some minutes first to have a through out update....