Plushenko will honour us with his presence in 2010!

[seniorita]

Greetings to all Plushy fans - he is back!!!

lol, i read all, this was a plushy raid! plushyta...funny name! welcome all!

Yes. Most people of here disliked Plushenko until recently (except seniorita. )

thats not true, janetfan, jenyfer,nadine, nubka and more have been expressing better things than me about plushy, mm has always a positive thing to add and [Buttercup and Ant] have joined the deatheaters and are talking with great words lately ... Dee ...:think:you are next

What? When? Where? How?

Ant

What?The other day, here http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=398512&postcount=20 thats how!:You crack me up seniorita!! I might even cheer for Plush now (just for you!)
If it is hard for you to remember, maybe I add it on my signature which, by the way, I dont have until now ???Great idea, I like it.

Yagudin retired.

LOL, good one!Too bad I missed the board back then!Thanx for marks analysis!

Dee, when will you get over with it? Or will you ever get over with it?

probably the same day Joe will get over the plushy's half sit spin

Boo to Evgeny!!!

....sharpen my claws

 

[plushyta]

I really don't think there's anything wrong with people here being critical of Plushenko, or of any other skater. I post here because I'd much rather have a debate with people than go to my favorites' fan forums to gush. Gushing is boring, but replying to seniorita's posts is fun .

For all those who brought up 2006 Olys, of course Plushy desrved his gold. But it would have been much nicer if he'd skated one of his more exciting programs from a few years earlier than the uninspired stuff he showed up with.

... for me is boring, to read always the same story, about his Oly LP's
Oh, what it was, it was - all that is now past ... and maybe Plushy return ALL, to disappointed people - on the upcoming Olympic Games

... Again all I can say is I felt cheated, I still feel cheated and probably will always feel that way. That doesn't mean I don't like him or don't respect him for being a great skater. In his Olympic skate he left me, us out of the equation. He didn't perform for us!!! Boo to Evgeny!!!

cheated, cheated, cheated ... and that your boyfriend's would "cheated" you - you should already a long time to forgive him.... how much time passed since then!

.... however. Plushenko's first six elements right out of the box were 4T+3T+2Lo, 3A+2T, 3Lo, 3A, 3Lz, 3Lz+2T. It's a sport, not a beauty contest. Taking care of business. Game over.

:agree: Rest my case!

lol, i read all, this was a plushy raid! plushyta...funny name! welcome all!

....sharpen my claws

Thanks, seniorita ... you're my "inspiration"

.... would be better served sharpen skates

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

As to the quote - I think it comes to the wrong conclusion.. If the other guys had the skate of their lives Plushy still would have won. His point total far exceeded anything they were capable of. See mm's analysis. The numbers do not lie.
If you and others missed the artistry we know Plushy can produce, then I agree with the quote and with you. But the outcome was never in doubt - and we all knew it. I blame more on Lambiel, Buttle and Weir for not competing at a high enough level. Evan was sick and had a doc's note to prove it so I can give him a pass, especially after a strong LP.

As opinons go, you have your right to opine, but many others here regretted his lack luster performance, and his super high scores in the protocols which he did not deserve. Further, all his competitors had poor skates that night which enabled the lacklustered performance to earn the gold. No one is saying other wise.

 

[seniorita]

Further, all his competitors had poor skates that night which enabled the lacklustered performance to earn the gold.

I know we disagree but that sounds like the other skaters hand him the gold.
So, I have two questions
Since competition is sp+lp points
1) Plushenko had lacklustered performance in Sp? I dont ask if you liked it.

2) Hypothetically the gap after Sp was 2-4 points from the second -third, Weir or Lambiel would have won Plush in 2006 even with their skate of their lives?

Where it is written that the Gold medalist should have the skate of his life so that it is universal accepted the whole win thing but the silver medalist should not?I havent seen such fuss about Lambiel's silver or Buttles bronze, and i guess they also profited by mediocre performances of the rest.

If someone assumes Lambiel or Weir would skate perfectly, somehow you have to assume also Plushenko would not skate like he did if Weir or Lambiel were just behind him in points. So if all skated their program as they should how much the final result would have change?As mm once said the Olympic Champion just needs to skate better than the others. Nobody made it easier for him, the competition started from zero points, they had their chance to win him in their hands (feet). And they didnt. Plushenko was not invicible so anything could have happened with ifs, but if you speculate what lambiel would have done better, you must also speculate what plushenko would have done better not to lose the gold medal. It just would have been a more interesting competition, thats all.

 

[jennylovskt]

Probably not!!!

Oh, you will! You are such a good natured, nice, forgiving, fun loving person, Dee. How could you not forgive him for wanting an Olympic gold medal too much?!:yes: Do you know a saying said, "no love, then no hate."? Because you loved, so you hated. You hated so much because you love. You are still loving Plushenko for his skating talent, that's why you are still hating him for what he didn't do as you expected. If you don't care, you wouldn't be bothered to hate. Hate can be transformed into love.

probably the same day Joe will get over the plushy's half sit spin

I think the latest time Dee and Joe will get over it is when they both see him skating again this coming season. Ant and Buttercup are already half way in the Plushenko fans club.

all his competitors had poor skates that night which enabled the lacklustered performance to earn the gold. No one is saying other wise.

This conclusion is very wrong. Plushenko would win with that program, no matter what the other skaters had done that night. The difference would be that the other skaters' scores would have been closer to Plushenko's.

 

[Buttercup]

[Buttercup and Ant] have joined the deatheaters and are talking with great words lately ...

Not so - my opinion of Plushenko remains unchanged: he was a very good skater, and an amazingly strong and consistent jumper, but I never liked his style. Nobody can take away what he accomplished, but there are quite a few skaters I like better. Also, I believe his Olys LP was not nearly as good as some of his earlier programs, so I'm glad that record at least has been broken. Yes, he only had to have been better than the others (and considering the standard in Torino, that wasn't much of a challenge). But I prefer to see Olympic champions whose performances are a bit more special.

 

[antmanb]

Ant and Buttercup are already half way in the Plushenko fans club.

Slander and lies Truth be told i'm much more in the Seniorita fan club which means i'm being kind until I see Plush skate again.

I'm hoping that Piseev was right when he said we will see a new Pluschenko, because unlike these Olympic only complainers I complained about Pluschenko all the time in nearly every other competition. i was particualrly vocal about a European championships (i forget which one) where i felt Plush robbed the field (with Dambier suffering the most )

I'm giving him a clean slate though and look forward to seeing him skate - but i will be honest about what i think .

Ant

 

[seniorita]

Ok then I will not put you both in harry potter's original movie, just on the teaser trailer!

A, and both of you are grounded

 

[seniorita]

Ok seriously, nobody accussed you of becoming plushy fans, I like our debates anyway and I dont expect that your view will change now if it hasnt so many years unless he flies to the roof this time..that goes the same for anyone! but you speak polite and you have great sense of humor, so you both rock in my books
Lol, i didnt know I have a fan club

i was particualrly vocal about a European championships (i forget which one) where i felt Plush robbed the field (with Dambier suffering the most )

You d better remember which one , Dambier came fourth in 2004 and 2006

 

[Buttercup]

Truth be told i'm much more in the Seniorita fan club which means i'm being kind until I see Plush skate again.

Yes, that's my take on it too.

i was particualrly vocal about a European championships (i forget which one) where i felt Plush robbed the field (with Dambier suffering the most )

Was that 2004? Because he was second, but his LP was so atrocious, any other skater wouldn't have even been in the top 5, let alone gotten some first place marks (it was still 6.0).

Harry Potter doesn't have good roles for girls/women anyway. Hermione never got to do as much as Harry and Ron, and the female Hogwarts staff was boring.

ETA: here's Plushy's LP at 2004 Euros (fans who haven't seen it yet, be warned: he was awful).

 

[antmanb]

Ok seriously, nobody accussed you of becoming plushy fans, I like our debates anyway and I dont expect that your view will change now if it hasnt so many years unless he flies to the roof this time..that goes the same for anyone! but you speak polite and you have great sense of humor, so you both rock in my books
Lol, i didnt know I have a fan club

You d better remember which one , Dambier came fourth in 2004 and 2006

I can't remember which year it was. I do remember though that in the LP Plush had a problem with one of his triple axels (it may have been popped) and i think it was the tmie he just slipped off the edge setting up a triple loop. There may also have been a problem with one of the spins. Anyway I think overall i was sad for Dambier and took it out on an uncharacteristcally sloppy (technically that is) effort from Plush. I will try to look it up to give you a proper answer.

Ant

 

[antmanb]

Was that 2004? Because he was second, but his LP was so atrocious, any other skater wouldn't have even been in the top 5, let alone gotten some first place marks (it was still 6.0).

I think that was it! I'm trying to look up a post i put on usenet to confirm.

Harry Potter doesn't have good roles for girls/women anyway. Hermione never got to do as much fun as Harry and Ron, and the female Hogwarts staff was boring.

Oh i don't know she got to travel through time (albeit to take more classes!)

Ant

 

[antmanb]

Ok i looked it up and it was 2004 Europeans. Looking at my report it seems I was really rooting to Joubert. Thought Plush was truly overscored in the LP (which he was) but also felt that Klimkin was overscored also. I think it was the first year of secret judging (but still using 6.0) so i had a lot fo rant in me about all of that. For me the podium should have been Joubert with the gold, Dambier with the silver and klimkin with the bronze (but i wouldn't have minded if silver and brnoze were the other way round!

Ant

 

[seniorita]

ETA: here's Plushy's LP at 2004 Euros (fans who haven't seen it yet, be warned: he was awful).

yes it was heartbreaking awful, but he was skating in bad condition, one knee torn and the other injured.
This is not excuse for his placement anyway. But I havent seen the performances of 4th and 3rd, all I remember from this Euros is that Joubert was awesome there.

Hermione has formated also the Elfs wellfare thing and is good in arithmancy

 

[antmanb]

yes it was heartbreaking awful, but he was skating in bad condition, one knee torn and the other injured.
This is not excuse for his placement anyway. But I havent seen the performances of 4th and 3rd, all I remember from this Euros is that Joubert was awesome there.

Well going back to my report in the SP Plush, with a cheated 4T(he was a third short on rotation)/2T beat Joubert with clean 4T/3T.

Klimkin with a 3A/3T, 4T (with no steps preceding it) 2A, came third to Dambier's 4S/2T, 3F 3A.

I can't remeber the points given for factored placements so don't know how different the result would have been .

The actual results were

1. Joubert 2.6 (QB1, SP2, LP1)
2. Pluschenko 3.0 (QA1, SP1, LP2)
3. Klimkin 5.6 (QA2, SP3, LP3)
4. Dambier 7.2 (QB2, SP4, LP4)

I don't know what the placements would have been and didn't see the qualifying rounds so assuming they were right i'd have had the SP being Joubert, Plush, Dambier and Klimkin and the LP Joubert, Dambier, Klimkin, Plush can anyone help out on the factored placement scores to get my theoritcal result? Joubert would obviously still win

1. Joubert (QB1, SP1, LP1)
?. PLuschenko (QA1, SP2, LP4)
?. Klimkin (QA2, SP4, LP3)
?. Dambier (QB2, SP3, LP2)

EDIT: i figured it out - it was increments of 0.4 for the QR, increments of 0.6 for the SP, and 1 for the LP so my results would have been:

1. Joubert 2.0
2. Dambier 4.6
3. Pluschenko 5.6
4. Klimkin 6.2

Ant

 

[seniorita]

you know, i was ready to debate the 2006 euros until i turn to blue , but I m fine with your analysis of 2004, plushy for bronzehe didnt have any so far in euros!

Edit: oh no, no klimkin on podium?It was his only medal outside russia and not in grand prix, did you have to take this away from him?Now you broke my heart

 

[jennylovskt]

OK, Ant and Buttercup, and Dee and Joe in that matter, that was a bad joke. It didn't mean anything. I am actually like debate. That's why I am here instead of being on those gushing fan forums. Actually I have my own take on pretty much every skater. I am not an ardent fan of almost any of them. That's why I love GS where it allows one to express all kinds of views. I am looking forward to debate with, especially Ant, in pretty much every subject.

 

[Mathman]

...especially Ant...

Off topic, but have you noticed that Antman can sardonically disagree with everyone on every subject, and still he is everybody's favorite? Must be that British thing.

 

[antmanb]

you know, i was ready to debate the 2006 euros until i turn to blue , but I m fine with your analysis of 2004, plushy for bronzehe didnt have any so far in euros!

Edit: oh no, no klimkin on podium?It was his only medal outside russia and not in grand prix, did you have to take this away from him?Now you broke my heart

You know what Seniorita, it breaks my heart too cos i loved Klimkin's skating but really at Euros that year with the reversion to secret 6.0 for the championships the judges went to town cheating because they could! And they did deprive Dambier of the chance to medal here

Ant

 

[antmanb]

Off topic, but have you noticed that Antman can sardonically disagree with everyone on every subject, and still he is everybody's favorite? Must be that British thing.

*sardonically disagrees*

Ant