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I guess falling on some of your jumps has become a requirement
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First I was like, then I was like
. No, just no.
Feel free to show me a detailed list of your GOE and PCS marks for the skaters. I'll tell you why I think you're wrong.
You already embarrased yourself many pages back with your dismissal of Kozuka's stunning skating skills and emotional performance.
Wow! I didn't know everyone had to have the same feeling for a skater. I thought Kozuka was ok. Not spectacular, but I could definitely see some potential. Oh, gee, now I embarrassed myself. I guess thats two of us. I can live with that.
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That's the exact placement I would give. It really does seem like high PCS scores are more related to how long and often the skater has been in international competitions than what they are actually are supposed to be for. The judges gave Plushenko PCS scores ranging from 7.50 - 9.50 in the same discipline (and his varied marks were all over every PCS score)... that's just further proof that judges really have no consistency or clue of what they are basing it on. Opinions shouldn't vary to that degree.
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So what if Kozuka fell? He did a Quad and Evan did not, so that evens it out technically. And, FYI, Kozuka fell on a Triple Axel that was placed FAR later in the program than Evan's (not mention that it was a far bigger jump too). Evan would fall every single time if he attempted a Triple Axel of that size late in his program.
Kozuka's skating was absolutely superior. Their PCS marks should have been reversed.
A fall is a fall, their were skaters who skated clean programs and should be rewarded for it
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Pay closer attention to the blades. Look at how effortlessly Kozuka gains speed, how fluidly he changes edges, and how much deeper the edges are.
Aside from that, it was a performance with actual heart to it. So much yearning. Kozuka brought that emotion to life.
Evan brought nothing to life. He ticked off the elements and did the transitions and did all kinds of arm movements which might have been good choreography but were performed with little sense of musicality.
I hope Kozuka wins the upcoming World Championships. The judges have ignored him for too long. He needs a win like that for people to finally take him seriously.
I actually still can't believe Kozuka defeated Evan back at 2008 Skate America. What an excellent result. Whoever the judging panel was at that event should be commended. Ever since then, however, Kozuka has been held down. His skating has nuance that most people don't seem to pick up on.
I agree that Elvis is overdoing it with the emphasis on the quad, but I admire him for pointing out that Weir was undermarked and Chan was overmarked.
As Canadians we have to be honest about what happened.
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I am SO proud of Evan for skating as he did after that bad warmup. He is so amazingly well prepared it would have been tragic if he did perform clean. He looked as if he was holding his breath throughout the whole skate, thinking....let me get through this. He did not have his usual passion and performance, but I have never been more happy for him.
Dai was amazing. Even with the fall, I thought it should have been really close with Evan. Dai's steps sequences and execution of all the other jumps were a joy.
I still don't know how Plusenko landed some of those jumps, but he laid on all the shick he could in that program with the tango-like strutting in front of the judges. I thought for sure he had it. But I am SO HAPPY that for once the judges did not lap up his gimmics.
Chan was unimpressive. He skates like an ice-dancer, but I never felt like this was the right music/program for him at all.
Lambiel. Also unimpressive. This could have been a masterpiece but he looked so tight and nervous and had few few of those classic Stephane landings.
Why do things like that happen to Oda? No wonder he skated to Charlie Chaplin. How sad, but I really have to admire the way he got right back into the program and skated it beautifullly. I still wish he would have tried the quad though.
Johnny was grossy underscored. Not a big Johnny fan, but that was a great skate. I would have had him in 4th.
Dai was amazing. Even with the fall, I thought it should have been really close with Evan. Dai's steps sequences and execution of all the other jumps were a joy.
I still don't know how Plusenko landed some of those jumps, but he laid on all the shick he could in that program with the tango-like strutting in front of the judges. I thought for sure he had it. But I am SO HAPPY that for once the judges did not lap up his gimmics.
Chan was unimpressive. He skates like an ice-dancer, but I never felt like this was the right music/program for him at all.
Lambiel. Also unimpressive. This could have been a masterpiece but he looked so tight and nervous and had few few of those classic Stephane landings.
Why do things like that happen to Oda? No wonder he skated to Charlie Chaplin. How sad, but I really have to admire the way he got right back into the program and skated it beautifullly. I still wish he would have tried the quad though.
Johnny was grossy underscored. Not a big Johnny fan, but that was a great skate. I would have had him in 4th.
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Skating a clean program is good, sure, but Evan's program was less difficult. Skating clean does NOT mean you deserve to win.
A Quad is worth 5.3 more points than a Doubel Axel (which is what Evan did instead). Falling on a Triple Axel costs you 5.2 points. Guess what...that means it evens out technically.
Even aside from the Quad, Kozuka's jump layout was more difficult. He did a Triple Axel-Triple Toe (which doesn't receive any extra credit under the current CoP and that's a problem) and he placed his second Triple Axel deep in the program (whereas Evan placed his at exactly the half-way mark...under the current CoP they receive the same bonus, which is again a problem).
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Do we all realize that had Plushenko added another 2toe on the end of his 3lutz/2toe combo, he would have won by .12? He had no 3/2/2, but could have probably EASILY added that on.
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I'm confused why he didn't plan a 3Axel-2Toe-2Loop.
Plushenko has left the 3-jump combination out all year long, though. Big oversight.
Ironic how this is what cost Plushenko the Gold medal when HE was the guy who made the 3-jump combination (his 4Toe-3Toe-2Loop) relevant in figure skating in the first place.
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Yeah I think he did. He should have known that he needed to add the jump to his Triple Axel combination if he didn't do it with the Quad, though.
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I think that is partially true. He is capable of more, he thought he would not need it. He thought that if he stayed on his feet the Gold was his.
I think it's said we have so much great skating left and all people can do is complain about this. We have one of the most competitve Ice Dancing shows comming up and also the chance to see one of the greastest female skaters ever and all will be over shawdowed by this
