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Men's Free Skate - Thurs, 18th 8pm EST

I have a suggestion for Plush... Just take out the quad, go back home and do some Cop homework, you and your proud couch.... study, study, study.... and then come back for more in sochi... skate a quadless but cop friendly routine... and voila! maybe another gold at the ripe old age of 31? hahahaha....
 
viv said:
it looked like not Stéphane skating there but his ghost.
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Yeah, that's why I think his SS was way overmarked. His SS may have been brilliant, but in this Game his skating was really slow and not smooth.

Blades of Passion said:
Kozuka (the fact that he received the lowest PCS for "Skating Skills" is a testament to how inane the judges are)
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Yea.

Tinymavy15 said:
Why do things like that happen to Oda? No wonder he skated to Charlie Chaplin. How sad, but I really have to admire the way he got right back into the program and skated it beautifullly. I still wish he would have tried the quad though.
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The only concerns that I have had for him were his sloppiness and nerves that can get in the way and I am sorry that they did. He missed so many chances. Kind of bittersweet to think of his lovable, adorable personality.
 
Evan Lysacek skated the cleaner, better designed program and his skating was superior to Plushenkos in every respect. One quad does not make a program and trump everything else, nor should it. As Frank Carroll said, this sport isn't called "figure jumping" but "figure skating." (God I love that man). Evan absolutely deserved the gold medal. I am very happy for him and most especially, Frank Carroll. In my opinion, he is the greatest coach who has ever worked in figure skating and one of its finest people.

Johnny Wier skated a gorgeous program. I was so happy for him. He was terribly underscored. Yes, he didn't have the transitions other skaters had but the quality of his skating is breathtaking. I hope he knows how proud we are of him and how many fans he has. I was so glad the crowd booed the judges for a joke of a score for him. YOU GO CANADA!!!

Daiske did a fantastic job as well. he should be very happy.

I feel terribly sorry for Jeremy Abbott who is something very special in this sport. I hope he can bounce back from this at Worlds.
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:agree:
 
Ryan O said:
I agree that Elvis is overdoing it with the emphasis on the quad, but I admire him for pointing out that Weir was undermarked and Chan was overmarked.

As Canadians we have to be honest about what happened.
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Actually Sandra Bezic stated last night that there was concerns before the olympics that the judges thought Weir's programs were too simple. So, nobody else on this website from the U.S. heard that?
 
dlgpffps said:
what would figure skating be without controversy:laugh:
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LOL!! You are so right. Quite frankly I'm getting sick of both of them and the way that the American media is playing this up as the new Cold War. I just loved Evan Lysaceck's public relations like interview with Bob Costas on NBC right now. Saying all the "right" things about what a good competitor Plushenko is and blah, blah, blah. Great media strategy, Evan. Perhaps Evan can get more endorsements by playing the victim card? He made me LOL when he said that if Plushenko had won, no one would had said anything about the results. Yeah right. Frank Carroll wouldn't have complained publicly? I'm thinking of some of the comments that ol' Frank made to the New York Times about Rachel Flatt after Nationals. And that was just a freaking Nationals. Mr. Carroll wouldn't have made any bitter comments about the judging system emphasizing too many quads and complaining about the anonymous judging system after Evan lost at the Olympics? Right, sure you're right!! Scotty Hamilton, Sandra Bezic and the rest of the American/Canadian media wouldn't have whined that Evan wuz robbed loudly and profusely to anyone that would listen? SURE!! Go ahead and believe that fantasy if you want. Then for the ultimate denoument in the North American outrage, Sale and Pelletier would have come out and repeated their sob story from 2002 and proclaimed that the Russians had cheated a North American from a gold once again. Oh, the hypocrisy from the North American press/skating community about how poorly the Russians are taking Plushenko's loss is absolutely staggering. If the positions had been reversed, you would have heard the complaining from the North Americans.

I think it would be ironic in a ha ha way if the Russian federation tried to work the refs and demanded that Plushenko should share the gold medal with Evan. I mean they were virtually tied and after the precedent with Sale/Pelletier, why not have Plushenko and Lysaceck be co-gold medalists? Then the controversy would end and everyone would be happy. It worked in 2002, right?

Ugh!! We wouldn't even be having this controversy if my guy Takahashi had won, performing a quad. Oh, well, this new "Cold War" controversy is worth some laughs...
 
zowie said:
Actually Sandra Bezic stated last night that there was concerns before the olympics that the judges thought Weir's programs were too simple. So, nobody else on this website from the U.S. heard that?
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She's said that a lot. I think both Bezic and Hamilton have some sort of major issue and can't admit that Johnny actually is a really good skater...Sandra had to huff and puff her way to admitting that Johnny has good technique after he skated his SP. (And he does. The only problem is that that pesky lip issue, and I'm bothered the judges docked him so much for that while ignoring all the flutzes in the house).
 
ademption said:
LOL!! You are so right. Quite frankly I'm getting sick of both of them and the way that the American media is playing this up as the new Cold War. I just loved Evan Lysaceck's public relations like interview with Bob Costas on NBC right now. Saying all the "right" things about what a good competitor Plushenko is and blah, blah, blah. Great media strategy, Evan. Perhaps Evan can get more endorsements by playing the victim card? He made me LOL when he said that if Plushenko had won, no one would had said anything about the results. Yeah right. Frank Carroll wouldn't have complained publicly? I'm thinking of some of the comments that ol' Frank made to the New York Times about Rachel Flatt after Nationals. And that was just a freaking Nationals. Mr. Carroll wouldn't have made any bitter comments about the judging system emphasizing too many quads and complaining about the anonymous judging system after Evan lost at the Olympics? Right, sure you're right!! Scotty Hamilton, Sandra Bezic and the rest of the American/Canadian media wouldn't have whined that Evan wuz robbed loudly and profusely to anyone that would listen? SURE!! Go ahead and believe that fantasy if you want. Then for the ultimate denoument in the North American outrage, Sale and Pelletier would have come out and repeated their sob story from 2002 and proclaimed that the Russians had cheated a North American from a gold once again. Oh, the hypocrisy from the North American press/skating community about how poorly the Russians are taking Plushenko's loss is absolutely staggering. If the positions had been reversed, you would have heard the complaining from the North Americans.

I think it would be ironic in a ha ha way if the Russian federation tried to work the refs and demanded that Plushenko should share the gold medal with Evan. I mean they were virtually tied and after the precedent with Sale/Pelletier, why not have Plushenko and Lysaceck be co-gold medalists? Then the controversy would end and everyone would be happy. It worked in 2002, right?

Ugh!! We wouldn't even be having this controversy if my guy Takahashi had won, performing a quad. Oh, well, this new "Cold War" controversy is worth some laughs...
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I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I think it would be naive to say that the Russians (and the USSR before it) never played the political game.
Actually Aunt Joyce has a very insightful and right-on post on this very topic: http://auntjoyceicecreamstand.blogspot.com/2010/02/art-of-international-politics.html
So just read that instead of reading my post.
 
Evan - Perhaps I would have been more convinced if he had better 3As and better artistry. It's kind of hard to see Evan and Johnny both went clean and the latter is so much down the way. Despite the flip edge call, I see Johnny a more whole package skater than Evan. Last season's results may have been still impacting here in judges' impressions (Evan World Champ and Johnny missed the Worlds).
 
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Bennett said:
Evan - Perhaps I would have been more convinced if he had better 3As and better artistry. It's kind of hard to see Evan and Johnny both went clean and the latter is so much down the way. Despite the flip edge call, I see Johnny a more whole package skater than Evan. Last season's results may have been still impacting here in judges' impressions (Evan World Champ and Johnny missed the Worlds).
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As I posted above, it's pretty clear that Frank Carroll played the politics game and won. I'm surprised that Galina, being the coach of an Olympic Champion, didn't do the same. But then again I don't know about her beyond that...so maybe that's not her thing?
 
Bennett said:
Evan - Perhaps I would have been more convinced if he had better 3As and better artistry. It's kind of hard to see Evan and Johnny both went clean and the latter is so much down the way. Despite the flip edge call, I see Johnny a more whole package skater than Evan. Last season's results may have been still impacting here in judges' impressions (Evan World Champ and Johnny missed the Worlds).
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Evan has plenty of artistry. Its just not the same as Johnny's artistry. In the visual arts You have impressionism and you have op-art, you have surrealism and abstract art. In danc there is ballet, crunk, hip-hop and interperative. While you may not enjoy one particular style it doesn't make it any less artistic.
 
ademption, I love your post!

ademption said:
I hope that the Japanese media/skating world aren't crucifying him for winning a bronze. I don't know for a fact, but I can make an educated guess that the Japanese really had high expectations that he would get gold. I hope that they aren't too disappointed in him and that he gets a warm homecoming after these Olympics.
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All the nations including the media admire Daisuke! He is the first Japanese figure skater to get the medal at Olys and many people are proud of him having tried the quad.
 
Morning Glory said:
ademption, I love your post!

All the nations including the media admire Daisuke! He is the first Japanese figure skater to get the medal at Olys and many people are proud of him having tried the quad.
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Oh. Phew! That's good. I remember someone mentioned that Midori Ito had to apologize to the nation when she got silver instead of gold, so to hear that the people are admiring Daisuke, it's a relief! Any word about Oda and Takahiko?
 
DesertRoad said:
As for his performance being emotionally stunning? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? A skate where the skater skates with a blank face, staring mostly at the ice or at the boards, with stiff and awkward upper body movement, to music with flat dynamics and little rhythm is not emotionally stunning. Emotionally stunted, more like.
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He was hardly stiff and lacking rhythm. The amount of soul he pours into his opening movements alone is just wonderful to see. He displayed a level of gravitas that was unmatched by any other skater. Weir was the only other skater whose performance compares on those grounds.

DesertRoad said:
Performance/Execution criteria: Physical, emotional, and intellectual involvement - 1. I'd give him a Z for Zombie if I could. Carriage - 8. Style and individuality/personality - 1. Good god, can't this go lower? Clarity of movement - 5. It's clear he's not doing much. Variety and contrast - 4. He only gets a 4 because other skaters suck so much more one is forced to grade on a curve. Projection - 3. That gets averaged and rounded up to a 3.75.
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Z for Zombie? J for Joke, more like - regarding everything you're writing. "It's clear he's not doing much"? That doesn't even make sense. His arm movements have purpose and musicality.

DesertRoad said:
Choreography/Composition criteria: Purpose - 1. The purpose is to get people to channel. Proportion - 7. Well, he did throw some difficult jumps near the end. Unity (every step, movement, and element is motivated by the music) - 1. He could've been skating to Plushenko's music for all he was doing. Utilization of Personal and Public Space - 6. I'll be generous and say he wasn't trying to sell his program in any one direction (because he wasn't selling it at all). Pattern and Ice Coverage - 8. Phrasing and Form - 4. There were phrases in that soupy music? He only gets a 4 because of how much other skaters suck. Originality of Purpose, Movement, and Design - 3. Constructing a program where a skater checks off the elements to the blandest music possible isn't original, but I'll elevate the marks a bit because it leverages Kozuka's relatively unique skating skills. Averaging to a 4.25.
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The way you score doesn't even make sense on its own terms. Regardless of that, the program was hardly constructed so the elements were just checked off. You seem to be thinking of Lysacek's program. Koazuka's jumps and spins were placed to the music much better. Look at how his flying sit came with the change of the music and is followed by a forward glide, pause, and then inside spread eagle to cater to the new tempo of the music.

DesertRoad said:
Interpretation criteria: Effortless Movements in Time to the Music (Timing) - 5. The effortless movement was there, but there was no rhythm to interpret. If this was a free dance, the music might've been disqualified. Expression of the music’s style, character, and rhythm - 3. Since his body language is as bland as the music, I'll raise this from a 1 to 3. Use of finesse to reflect the nuances of music - 4. Tough one to score. With music that has so little going on, what nuances are there to reflect? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend his stroking is to some imagined beat in the music. This averages out to a rather generous 4.
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The music has so little going on? It is filled with subtle note progression, tempo change, and a driving rhythm and Kozuka interprets it beautifully. Look at the way he outstretches his arm before the final Triple Lutz - an expression of unfilled desire that goes exactly with the theme of this music.

DesertRoad said:
This gives him a factored PCS of 58 from me. Much lower than what he got from the judges. Of course, I'd also give most of the higher ranked skaters lower marks, I don't believe in reputation judging. But in particular, Kozuka suffers gravely from his choice of music. Listless music inspires listless choreography which inspires listless skating which inspires listless scores.
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Listless? No. You fail to understand the human emotion of yearning. The program filled with nostalgia and longing. It was sublime.
 
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