Isn't this thread titled "yu-na news"? I think bickering about how GOE is awarded is not "Yu-na news."
ITA. Please take this to a different forum.
First of all, my apologies to both of you. I too always find it a bit uncomfortable to read off-the-topic comments but also couldn't help chiming in when zizi31 brought up an issue regarding "speed" in figure skating in the Yuna News thread, especially when Yuna's speed is considered as one of her many strengths.
I don't get why speed is considered such a positive. I don't think that extreme speed adds much to the beauty of the performance (even when seen live), unless the skater is using the speed to punctuate some dramatic quality of the music or to express some emotion. As long as a skater isn't extremely slow, I don't seem an advantage to being very fast vs. average speed. Actually, Yu Na looks like a speed skater to me at times (Carolina too). I prefer skaters who're more graceful rather than just fast.
Why does CoP reward speed so much? Is it that much harder to execute elements when you're going very fast? Or did someone just decide that it looks "better"? I just feel like there's a disproportionate amount of attention being paid to speed. To me, it's a very minor factor, unless a skater is so slow that it distracts from everything else.
And please bear with me one more time for this will be my last post regarding this non-Yuna-News topic. Thanks.
Well, I have no complaints about Yuna's higher GOE for her jumps. So we agree in that aspect.
Then I guess you would agree any final score of the event is an accumulation of the base values of elements and GOE points. Then what's the fuss about her +228 score? It was not inflated at all and she deserved every point. (If you hadn't complained about her "inflated" score at all, I owe you an apology though.)
What? I don't think that implies it at all. Every single asepct of skating as a "presentation aspect." Spins need to be presented in a fast, way, jumps need to be presented in a clean way...so why not spirals be presented in terms of flexibilty and edge control? What you are assuming someone said just doesn't make sense.
And I think it's a little out of hand to call someone a "crybaby" when they agree with you about what good jumps are made of.
I somehow ended up posting seemingly forever in this thread. The bottom line is, edge quality, ice coverage, and speed are basics of figure skating. Skaters need to control edges and skate with speed when they spin, spiral, and jump. And also they need to cover as much as ice when they stroke, jump, and spiral unless they want to look "small" (borrowing Scott's term) or juniorish.
You said, for instance, jumps need to be presented in a clean way, then how would you define "clean"? If a jump is effortlessly executed with speed, I consider it's presented in a clean way. If, on the other hand, it's muscled due to lack of speed, it comes across "clumsy" to me.
And spirals. You asked "why not spirals be presented in terms of flexibilty and edge control?" and I partially agree with you - I think spirals should be presented in terms of not only flexibility and edge control but also speed and ice coverage. Posters I didn't agree with are those who talked about balletic positions on spirals - Some posters who praised spirals with rubberband leg flexibility only. For I never liked Sasha's kind of spirals which lack speed, ice coverage as well as edge quality. It was not only low-quality but boring. Hers were never on the same level as Michelle's gorgeous spirals that cover so much ice with beautiful edge quality as well as flexibility.
Again, the bottom line is edge quality, ice coverage, and speed are basics of figure skating. And yes, I think spirals with "flexibility" may be rewarded as long as they are equipped with those basics. But as Mafke mentioned above, 'beautiful' 'graceful' 'finesse' and 'excellence' are all pretty subjective, so please no more "skaters with beautiful balletic presence should be rewarded".
Here, you perceive, is the problem. 'Beautiful' 'graceful' 'finesse' and 'excellence' are all pretty subjective. I was never that much into Cohen and found lots of others more interesting to watch. In Cohen's case her shallow to non-existent edges bothered me and her flexibility just wasn't my thing. At her best (last three minutes of Turin lp) she could even win me over, but it didn't work on an ongoing basis. On the other hand, I kind of like Flatt (though she hasn't yet figured out how to make her unconventional, for skating, body shape work for her yet). But I like the feisty can-do attitude.
Speech is much more objective in that honest fans of both Kim and Asada can agree that Kim is faster. They may disagree on how important that is (which is fine) but while one fan's 'graceful' is another's 'boring' and one fan's 'feisty' is another's 'clumsy' everybody can agree on who the real speed demons are.
Okay, this is it. I promise this is my last post not related to Yuna News. Thanks again for bearing with me.
All's fair in love + lovemore.
effect on me. She didn't just raise her leg or push her arms out...she did this "BAM!" move that made it really dramatic. I guess that's not a figure skating thing, but it was like, whoa. (TO ME) 
