USOC / NBC Praise for Evan Lysacek

[janetfan]

Regarding the nbc notorious video, with the montage and dark colors of Batman, yes sure it was for large consumption of popcorn. Evgeni is not native in english, if you have listened 1000 interview of him, you see he repeats same words and phrases over the years because he has a limited vocabulary, I ve heard the word enemy from him in tallin and it was obvious he meant the competitors, anyway different cultures as you said.
But it is unfair that Plushy steals Lysacek's thunder in his own thread, I said it some pages ago that it is clear he is the bad boy, we don't need repetition, but you rushed to tell me off!



i really don't know why he asked now, i m not that clever to have the answer to everything, ask mathman.

If mathman doesn't know maybe he will ask Batman, I think they are cousins

 

[seniorita]

If mathman doesn't know maybe he will ask Batman

good one!:thumbsup:

 

[fairly4]

agree --it is a nice article to hype evan, but agree with seniorita regarding twitter answers and some other newspaper answers-
example quad jump- signature jump-yet didn't do at nationals worlds, and olympics.
didn't take bait at olympics --lets see why 1) is smart enough to not to say anything at olympics because of past answers ffrom other people, 2) fans was telling not to say anythilng and 3) usoc media day where they are taught to handle such things not necessarily what to say but how to say an answer where it don't look so bad.
aslo michelle help by her sportsmanlike behavior

it is easy not to say anythign when you win the gold,
but he is a decent role model nevertherless,.
j

 

[Bluebonnet]

Evan's own Olympic committee has declared him a role model. You couldn't be more wrong.

Evan's win will be remembered and Plushy's incredibly poor sportsmanship will not be forgotten. That's the way it is and your views seem much different than the reality of what happened.

The United States Olympic committee would never honor the type of behavior the whole world saw from Plushy.
Your comments are ridiculous here as we just saw the USOC honor Evan.

Please, you are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

Sure, Evan's win will be remembered. I agree. So much to be remembered that people will talk about his Olympic win every year on and off seasons, I'm sure of that.

I'm puzzled on those bolded sentences. Where did I list the facts which were "my own facts"?! Do you believe ISU just suddenly feels like it out of blue to decide to change the rules to raise quad values with no reasons at all?:think:

As a fan, I'm not so proud of Plushenko's behavior after the competition, by the way. However, I don't understand the reason when people talk about the weaknesses of Lysacek's, Plushenko has to be dragged in? Unless, the people who are defending Lysacek have no way to defend him except to list his competitors weaknesses instead.

 

[janetfan]

Sure, Evan's win will be remembered. I agree. So much to be remembered that people will talk about his Olympic win every year on and off seasons, I'm sure of that.

I'm puzzled on that bolded sentence. Where did I list the facts which were "my own facts"?! Do you believe ISU just suddenly feels like it out of blue to decide to change the rules to raise quad values with no reasons at all?:think:

As a fan, I'm not so proud of Plushenko's behavior after the competition, by the way. However, I don't understand the reason when people talk about the weaknesses of Lysacek's, Plushenko has to be dragged in? Unless, the people who are defending Lysacek have no way to defend him except to list his competitors weaknesses instead.

It is your opinion that Evan is not a good role model or Olympian.
That is fine and you are entitled to your opinions.

The facts are that the USOC has recognized Evan for being a good Olympian and a good role model. That is a fact. You may disagree but your opinion does not change how the USOC feels about Evan.

Anyway, i will try and be more like Evan and not answer some of the insults aimed at him by such sore losers who don't get it.

 

[Bluebonnet]

It is your opinion that Evan is not a good role model or Olympian.
That is fine and you are entitled to your opinions.

The facts are that the USOC has recognized Evan for being a good Olympian and a good role model. That is a fact. You may disagree but your opinion does not change how the USOC feels about Evan.

Anyway, i will try and be more like Evan and not answer some of the insults aimed at him by such sore losers who don't get it.

Calling names doesn't make you a better poster than others.

If you go back to read my first post a little more carefully, you'll easily find that I was listing my opinion on Lysacek not being a good role model, not a fact. Now who doesn't get it?

 

[janetfan]

Calling names doesn't make you a better poster than others.

If you go back to read my first post a little more carefully, you'll easily find that I was listing my opinion on Lysacek not being a good role model, not a fact. Now who doesn't get it?

Whatever - your opinion is fine with me.

The USOC has already recognized Evan's behavior as being exceptional.

Sore losers are fine too. I am a notorius sore loser.

 

[Bluebonnet]

Anyway, i will try and be more like Evan

Hay, how could you be more like him? You are so much alike already except you are taller.

The USOC has already recognized Evan's behavior as being exceptional.

As you said yourself, "Whatever".

You are an exceptional poster. At times, your posts were so funny and joyable to read, but other times, they were so frustrating to me.

 

[gkelly]

However, I don't understand the reason when people talk about the weaknesses of Lysacek's, Plushenko has to be dragged in? Unless, the people who are defending Lysacek have no way to defend him except to list his competitors weaknesses instead.

Are you talking about personality weaknesses or skating weaknesses?

I agree that if people are going to discuss the behavior of a specific skater, it's not generally relevant to bring up different behavior by a different skater. If it's the same kind of behavior, then it may be relevant in the sense of pointing out double standars.

I personally am not much interested in those discussions to begin with. I'm mainly interested in the skating.

Let's take it as a given that no skater, not even an Olympic champion, is perfect. There are always areas that could be stronger. Skaters win because they delivered the best performance according to the rules at the time, in the opinions of the majority of judges on the judging panel (and, now, in the estimation of the technical panel).

If a champion's win is questioned by bringing up their skating weaknesses, with the implication that an opponent would have been a worthier winner, it does make sense to bring up the opponents' weaknesses in discussing why the results may have come out as they did. Defending a result inevitably means arguing against alternative results.

Defenders of each of the contenders often have a tendency to overstate their favorites' strengths and their opponents' weaknesses. Which gets the discussion more heated than necessary.

 

[Bluebonnet]

Are you talking about personality weaknesses or skating weaknesses?

I agree that if people are going to discuss the behavior of a specific skater, it's not generally relevant to bring up different behavior by a different skater. If it's the same kind of behavior, then it may be relevant in the sense of pointing out double standars.

I personally am not much interested in those discussions to begin with. I'm mainly interested in the skating.

Let's take it as a given that no skater, not even an Olympic champion, is perfect. There are always areas that could be stronger. Skaters win because they delivered the best performance according to the rules at the time, in the opinions of the majority of judges on the judging panel (and, now, in the estimation of the technical panel).

If a champion's win is questioned by bringing up their skating weaknesses, with the implication that an opponent would have been a worthier winner, it does make sense to bring up the opponents' weaknesses in discussing why the results may have come out as they did. Defending a result inevitably means arguing against alternative results.

Defenders of each of the contenders often have a tendency to overstate their favorites' strengths and their opponents' weaknesses. Which gets the discussion more heated than necessary.

Specifically, constant dragging Plushenko's aftermath behavior into Lysacek's win and Lysacek's skating in number of threads triggerd my thought.

I agree with you generally except the bolded part could be questionable. I remember we've talked about it detailedly and lengthily in many threads. It is questionable from the SP to start with.

 

[gkelly]

I agree with you generally except the bolded part could be questionable. I remember we've talked about it detailedly and lengthily in many threads. It is questionable from the SP to start with.

Well, yes, obviously there's room for debate as to who skated best. In the end, though, the opinions that matter are those of the majority of officials on the panels, as I stated in the rest of the sentence you partially bolded. Fans (or minorities of the actual panels) may disagree, with valid reasons, which makes for interesting discussions as long as they steer clear of hyperbole and attacks. But those discussions do tend to be comparative -- with 6.0 judging, comparison would be required.

 

[Mathman]

If we want to celebrate Evan's decorum, a better comparison would be other American Olympians who acted like idiots. Bode Miller, for example, in the 2006 games spent the whole time partying all night then being unable to perform the next day because of a hangover -- and then he blogged, hey, I'm Bode Miller, if you don't like it, bite me. (The USOC did not use that quote in their fund-raising brochure, where they tried to get Americans to support the Olympic team financially.)

Or the US hockey team that got mad when they lost, so they trashed their hotel room room, causing thousands of dollars in damage.

Evan's public persona is without doubt bland and uncontroversial. When he was a contestant on Dancing with the Stars (silver medal) they even did a little skit making fun of how his interviews were so middle-of-the road and politically correct (not to say, boring). Sort of like Michelle Kwan.

 

[janetfan]

If we want to celebrate Evan's decorum, a better comparison would be other American Olympians who acted like idiots. Bode Miller, for example, in the 2006 games spent the whole time partying all night then being unable to perform the next day because of a hangover -- and then he blogged, hey, I'm Bode Miller, if you don't like it, bite me. (The USOC did not use that quote in their fund-raising brochure, where they tried to get Americans to support the Olympic team financially.)

Or the US hockey team that got mad when they lost, so they trashed their hotel room room, causing thousands of dollars in damage.

Evan's public persona is without doubt bland and uncontroversial. When he was a contestant on Dancing with the Stars (silver medal) they even did a little skit making fun of how his interviews were so middle-of-the road and politically correct (not to say, boring). Sort of like Michelle Kwan.

I am not sure which year you are referring to regarding the US hockey team.
I recall maybe back in '76 members of the US hockey team got into a brawl at a a pub. I have tried to find articles about this but with no luck.

I do remember they were hauled off to jail or atleast detained and it was our wonderful Olympic champion Tenley Albright who saved the day. As part of the US delegation Tenley was called to the scene and apparently calmed everything down, and so charmed the Austrian police that the hockey players were released.

Anybody else remember this incident?

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

it is not everything otherwise Reynolds or Schultheiss (yes please ) would have won all competitions but from my observation sometimes people who debate against the quad not being everything argue like the skater does just a quad and then sits down on the ice and read a newspaper.

Conversely, many people who argue for the quad do their best to ignore facts that get in the way of their belief.

 

[FlattFan]

It wasn't URed at all, what on Earth are you talking about?

It was just like Mao's on any given day. Notice where the blade touched the ice, and completed the rotation on ice. The exact same thing Mao does every time.

 

[FlattFan]

Look at the slow-mo replay after the program (begins at 3:40). He clearly completed the third revolution while his feet was still several inches in the air. If that 3A was under-rotated, then Flatt never executed a real triple in her life.

Since we're talking about Evan, it's all about the angle.

Don't look at the slow-mo replay. Look at it in real time, his blade touched the ice at a 45degree angle. That is UR, depending on the caller.

 

[Binthere]

It is so interesting to me how the discussion has triggered so many thoughts, and how it has become so closely blended with the results and skating. To me, the reference and kudos from the USOC were more simply about one aspect which is not always "trained" and "honed" as expertly with these world class athletes, and that is how to handle oneself after either victory or defeat, in front of a media that is hungrier for dirt than decency, and in a nanosecond will merciless bend and distort even a raised eyebrow into a "incident."

In a world where bad behavior is the "car accident that captures everyone's attention" I simply think it's reassuring to point out something positive. Not PERFECT and only positive, but sufficiently positive. We are all human after all, and Evan did a very decent job of being a decent human when it would have been very easy to understand a different sort of behavior. JMHO.

 

[seniorita]

Sort of like Michelle Kwan.

yes too bad in the article they didnt write His signature move is the quad AND the inside edge forward spiral

 

[AmEagle3313]

since you all seem offtopic anyway, i just watched the battle of Brians, i had never watched orser 's sp and i rewatched the lp that i didnt remember, my jaw dropped, what was he doing there? he was so fast i thought it was something wrong with my pc, and he does gimmicks and so many things skaters dont do anymore, it is frustrating to see how much fs has changed for the worse since then, i wanted to cry (ok i m glad the costumes have evolved)! For all the artistry and pcs talk, he was doing stuff that in CoP would have been rewarded so much, Boitanno's programs looked more of technical to me, Orser lost because of a step out? Interesting that after these Olys they changed the tiebreaker rule and Orser would have won. Why he didnt add second 3axel, I checked and he did skate after Boitano.

I'm not sure if it was just the step out that cost him the gold, although he probably would have won even without the second triple axel. I'm not sure the technical merit marks should have been as close as they were (this is from memory so sorry if I messed the below up).

Boitano: 3lz, 3a-2t, 3f, 3s, 3f-3t, 3a, 3lo, 2a (8 triples, triple-triple combo later in program) vs,
Orser: 3lz, 3a-2t, 3f, 3s-2lo, 3lo, 2a-3t (neat sequence), 2a, 3t (7 triples, 2a-3t sequence)
Brian repeated 3a and 3f, Orser just the 3t.
Orser would have killed with the PCS scores in CoP, but I think Brian's tech marks may have put it out of reach, especially since Orser wasn't a particularly strong spinner.

On the topic, I think that Evan handled himself as he should have: He worked hard, skated exactly how he wanted do and did what he had planned, and appeared to be a good sport and not dive into controversy even after provoked. I am definitely not a fan of Evan (at all), but even if the answers were rehearsed beforehand, he still had to answer them under pressure with the lights and cameras on. I can't tell you how many times I've practiced for a presentation for work, and as soon as the lights come on and I'm at the podium, I get nervous and stray from the talking points immediately. Even if rehearsed, he still has to remain composed, and he did. To get to that spot in the first place, he had to work hard, and he did. Did I want him to win? No. Do I like him as a skater? No. Do I think he handled himself as an Olympic champion should (at the time...not the crazy stuff afterwards)? Absolutely.

 

[janetfan]

It is so interesting to me how the discussion has triggered so many thoughts, and how it has become so closely blended with the results and skating. To me, the reference and kudos from the USOC were more simply about one aspect which is not always "trained" and "honed" as expertly with these world class athletes, and that is how to handle oneself after either victory or defeat, in front of a media that is hungrier for dirt than decency, and in a nanosecond will merciless bend and distort even a raised eyebrow into a "incident."

In a world where bad behavior is the "car accident that captures everyone's attention" I simply think it's reassuring to point out something positive. Not PERFECT and only positive, but sufficiently positive. We are all human after all, and Evan did a very decent job of being a decent human when it would have been very easy to understand a different sort of behavior. JMHO.

:thumbsup: