1. Yuna is more consistent. So you don't see her doing terrible messy programs all the time. When she did, she got generous PCS. If you did 5 messy programs, and got generous 5 times. THAT IS ALL THE TIME. 100% of the times.
Yu-Na didn't have 5 messy programs. I doubt you even looked at Yu-Na's 2008 GPF SP. She had one mistake, a popped jump. Using your standard of a "mess", I don't even know where to begin with Carolina Kostner--who won 2012 Worlds with a "messy" SP since she had a doubled jump. Your definition, not mine.
2. Caro is inconsistent. Her PCS have dropped to 7th or 8th the competition. Not nearly as outrageous as Kim's.
Yeah, Kostner's PCS dropped to 7th or 8th while her TES was near rock bottom. Case in point, the 2010 Olympics. Kostner got the 9th highest overall PCS in the FS. She had the lowest TES of all 24 competitors. The judges decided that her performance merited top 10 PCS even though she had so many errors and issues that she accomplished the least technically of all 24 skaters. But Kim is the one whose PCS is outrageous? Seems like black is white and white is black with you.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/SEG004.HTM
What are you arguing, anyway? So you admit that Carolina frequently gets high PCS when she has mistakes because she's inconsistent; Yu-Na gets high PCS when she makes mistakes but she's more consistent...but your conclusion is that Yu-Na is the queen of PCS when the number of times that Carolina has benefited from high PCS in spite of mistakes far outnumbers Yu-Na's?
The number of times that Carolina has gotten high PCS when she's made mistakes is significantly higher than the number of times Yu-Na has gotten high PCS when she's made mistakes.
The number of times that Carolina has gotten an improved placement because she's gotten high PCS (versus her placement according to TES) is significantly higher than the number of times Yu-Na has gotten a better placement due to PCS versus her TES (zero).
The difference in PCS/TES ranking (i.e. 2010 Olympics FS - 9th highest PCS; 24th TES) is FAR bigger for Carolina than it ever was for any other skater. Find me a time in the FS that Yu-Na received a PCS
15 places higher than where her TES would have put her.
3. The fallacy that Yuna fans have used ALL the time over the year that
PCS made a significant difference is so stupid that you discredited it in the same breathe. Whatever PCS Carolina has gotten, it didn't boost her past Irina in 2005, Mao in 2008. There's no difference. Idiots fall for that fallacy all the time. Thanks for agreeing with me.
It has boosted Carolina past many skaters who were cleaner than her in both segments. Her overall placement would've been even worse had she not gotten such a huge boost PCS. And you reference 2008 Worlds, many felt Kim and Yukari Nakano should've been ahead of Kostner.
4. Yes, I've said Caro was messy at 2013 Worlds. No one is saying otherwise.
So she was a mess at 2013 Worlds, received very high PCS, and that additional PCS allowed her to get the silver over skaters who were cleaner than she was. That's a fact.
Carolina has beautiful skating skills and some wonderfully unique programs, and a case can definitely be made that she deserves
relatively high PCS even when she has mistakes. That's not a problem in itself. What's debatable is whether or not she deserves that much PCS and as frequently as she receives it. What's not really debatable is whether Kostner has benefited more from PCS than Yu-Na has. You don't have much of an argument here, the protocols and performances don't support you.
Her PCS was 5th in the SP, and 10th in the LP at the Olympics. She was 2 points less than Rachael, ok.
Btw, Kim was at mess at 2009 Skate America, and her PCS beat Rachael by how many points? 6.
The only one truly saved by PCS is Kim.
Again, don't get it twisted.
And Rachael Flatt beat Yu-Na in the FS. But Yu-Na's PCS didn't save her. Rachael Flatt _fell_ in the SP and also had a spin voided in her FS. That's simply too many points given up, and Yu-Na also had one of the best performances of her SP at 2009 Skate America. PCS didn't save her. Not a controversial win decided by PCS. Nice try, though.
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And tying this back in to the topic of the thread, one of my takeaways from 2013 Worlds is that Kostner is as much a favorite for an Olympic medal of some color as is Patrick Chan, V/T, D/W, and Kim being favorites for the gold. I don't think Kostner will be the one to slip off the podium unless she repeats a performance like 2009 Worlds or 2010 Olympics, which based on her recent success, I don't think she will. So that makes it very tough for the Americans to sneak in--especially since each would have to substantially improve in certain areas to be considered a podium contender--Ashley technically and Gracie artistically--and then be consistent all season along. That's too much to accomplish next season prior to the Olympics. Even Sarah Hughes had done more prior to the Olympic season than what Ashley and Gracie have done at this point. Sarah had the technical arsenal that Ashley lacks (and the more lenient judging system to overlook the flaws), far more senior level experience that Gracie doesn't have, and simply more medals, including the key 2001 Worlds bronze.
Kim was rarely saved by PCS compared to Carolina. Carolina got so many undeserved higher placement because of her PCS that no one but your highness would dispute.
