They were not downgraded, and they couldn't be downgraded since it's from practice clips.
when i say never i mean never
Through i wrote never, I also mentioned the one exception (you took the word "never" to literal)
... Well, of course they weren't downgraded! They weren't even done in competition! And your reasoning that jumps cannot be considered downgraded/short of rotation because they were done in practice is seriously twisted. So only *perfect* jumps are done in practice? And by some weird reason, those same *perfect* jumps, only when done in competition, may be considered downgraded?
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IMO neither has the ISU. I do not have to present an argument on behalf of the ISU for why they have a Short Program and a Long Program. You have the burden to argue for "SP: LIMIT DIFFICULTY / TEST SKATERS ON QUALITY OF SAME CONTENT" (which is different from what the ISU is currently requiring for the SP, and different from what it has required of skaters since the 1990's.) Furthermore, you haven't provided any arguments for why the short has to be completely differently from the long. You talk about redundancy and "semi-finals." Well guess what, many other sports have redundancy and semi-finals that are exactly the same format/type of challenge as the Finals. Once again, burden is on you to argue for your preference. Moreover, skaters cannot just "jump to their heart's content" in the LP. There are still restrictions as to the # of jumping passes as well as the types, so that point you make is null.IMHO you still haven't presented an argument for having a short program at all. Yes, it's a sport so skaters should be rewarded for doing a bunch of hard jumps. Well, they can jump to their heart's content in the long program. What does the short bring to the table?
It's still structured but allows for pushing the athletic boundaries of the sport.I don't see why the SP requirements (at least for the Ladies) can't be something like:
- One Axel-type jump. Single, double, or triple, left up to the skater herself.
- One combination of any two jumps
- One solo jump out of steps
- all jumps must be of different types (!!!!!! Pretty important if you ask me since we don't require that in the Long Program anyway, and, is a good skill to be able to demonstrate.)
Just limiting the difficult seems wrong to me, especially in a SPORT.
Don't twist my words the way you want them to be, what I said was that they weren't downgraded and couldn't be downgraded. and it couldn't be downgraded because the quad's weren't performed in an actual competition in those clips. Meaning there was no actual outcome, to make it even more clear no technical controller has ever judged it. no clear result. so therefor it might just as likely have been ratified.
There is a big difference between saying i think it would be downgraded, and it's downgraded. Afterall it can only "be" downgraded if it actually was judged in a competition, and since this wasn't the case, I gave that reply.
You are definitely NOT a skater, and that's OK, but your statement is totally FALSE here. In practice and lessons, your coach will tell you it's cheated (if you haven't figured it out on your own on the landing) and tell you the tech panel would single or double down the jump depending on how short it is (or you look at your landing and determine if it would be a single or double down). There's no "think it would be" in the case of the clips posted here, it's a case of "it would be downgraded" if performed the same way "for real".what I said was that they weren't downgraded and couldn't be downgraded. and it couldn't be downgraded because the quad's weren't performed in an actual competition in those clips. Meaning there was no actual outcome, to make it even more clear no technical controller has ever judged it. no clear result. so therefor it might just as likely have been ratified.
There is a big difference between saying i think it would be downgraded, and it's downgraded. Afterall it can only "be" downgraded if it actually was judged in a competition, and since this wasn't the case, I gave that reply.
You are definitely NOT a skater, and that's OK, but your statement is totally FALSE here. In practice and lessons, your coach will tell you it's cheated (if you haven't figured it out on your own on the landing) and tell you the tech panel would single or double down the jump depending on how short it is (or you look at your landing and determine if it would be a single or double down). There's no "think it would be" in the case of the clips posted here, it's a case of "it would be downgraded" if performed the same way "for real".
IMO neither has the ISU. I do not have to present an argument on behalf of the ISU for why they have a Short Program and a Long Program. You have the burden to argue for "SP: LIMIT DIFFICULTY / TEST SKATERS ON QUALITY OF SAME CONTENT" (which is different from what the ISU is currently requiring for the SP, and different from what it has required of skaters since the 1990's.)
Furthermore, you haven't provided any arguments for why the short has to be completely differently from the long....Once again, burden is on you to argue for your preference.
You talk about redundancy and "semi-finals." Well guess what, many other sports have redundancy and semi-finals that are exactly the same format/type of challenge as the Finals.
Lastly, you haven't provided any reasonable objections for a SP with the restrictions I outlined in this post:
Carl Mao Kim got a load of points at 2013 worlds and will be in the final groups. Points from worlds medals/placement can determine skate order. You don't need the sp for skate order. Worlds points can do it. And the isu could alter point values and carry previous Olympic placement as well. Sp for skate order is unnecessary and not only reason why it exists but it's meaning is being abolished more every year.
The SP is there so that you can eliminate the terrible skaters and round up the top 24.
The SP is there so that the final groups are the best group.
Who is this Carl Mao Kim that you speak of?
she is the superskater named Carl Mao-Kim from NK
World points will keep young phenoms from skating where they should be.
Shen/Zhao were first to skate in Vancouver.
SP doesn't require a lot of effort. And it put into perspective who should be skating in what group. World points don't tell you the right state of many skaters at the time of the competition.
Kiira Korpi was 3rd or 4th in the World points ranking at one time, should she be in the ultimate group? No, she would have to be top 6 to make it.
Caro had a terrible season leading to Vancouver, her world standing was still 2 or 3rd, should she be in the ultimate group? No!
This is why you need a SP to weed out the terrible and the non-competitive. No world points can tell you who's good at that particular moment.