There is nothing to explain. She deserved her placement.
Kostner takes two coffee breaks (at least) in her program and IMO she was quite well gifted in TES for that performance given the overall quality of the technical elements therein.
2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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There is nothing to explain. She deserved her placement.
Kostner takes two coffee breaks (at least) in her program and IMO she was quite well gifted in TES for that performance given the overall quality of the technical elements therein.
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I just can't agree with the results. It's just so aggravating. I can buy hometown bias getting you onto the podium, but not buying your way into the gold medal position. Sotinikova skated very well but I don't think the quality is there yet.
Mao had the skate of the night for me.
Consoling myself with Canada winning the gold in hockey....
Mao had the skate of the night for me.
Consoling myself with Canada winning the gold in hockey....
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What is the meaning of the number of triples when a double combo gives a higher point than a triple? To boot, Adelina faltered on her triple combo, if you remember.
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Absolute disgrace. Yuna deserved that gold with beautiful artistry and clean jumps. So what if she had six triples? Adelina made a mistake on her three jump combination. This sport is a joke.
Ashley Wagner- I thought her scores were too low. I'm no Ashley fan I wanted Mirai to go. Look at Ashley's scores compared to Julia's who made two big technical errors.
Julia- I couldn't believe the high scores she received. This was rigged right from the start. The Russians planned this with the judges.
Gracie- I couldn't believe how low her scores were. Even with the fall, the rest of the free skate was beautiful.
Carolina- She deserved Silver. Skating isn't just about jumping it's also artistry. Carolina had the skate of her life. She was magnificent.
Yuna- Definitely deserved gold. Yuna is a champion through and through. She is a legend in this sport. No one can touch what she accomplished here. She's more artistic now than four years ago and her jumps are still there. It really doesn't matter if she has no triple loop. Adelina does not possess any artistry whatsoever.
Adelina- She jumped well but her skating was sloppy and unrefined. There's no connection with the music. We have to ask ourselves, if the Olympics was elsewhere, would Adelina have won? And of course Adelina would have received the bronze.
If they judged fairly it would have been:
1. Yuna
2. Carolina
3. Adelina
Ashley Wagner- I thought her scores were too low. I'm no Ashley fan I wanted Mirai to go. Look at Ashley's scores compared to Julia's who made two big technical errors.
Julia- I couldn't believe the high scores she received. This was rigged right from the start. The Russians planned this with the judges.
Gracie- I couldn't believe how low her scores were. Even with the fall, the rest of the free skate was beautiful.
Carolina- She deserved Silver. Skating isn't just about jumping it's also artistry. Carolina had the skate of her life. She was magnificent.
Yuna- Definitely deserved gold. Yuna is a champion through and through. She is a legend in this sport. No one can touch what she accomplished here. She's more artistic now than four years ago and her jumps are still there. It really doesn't matter if she has no triple loop. Adelina does not possess any artistry whatsoever.
Adelina- She jumped well but her skating was sloppy and unrefined. There's no connection with the music. We have to ask ourselves, if the Olympics was elsewhere, would Adelina have won? And of course Adelina would have received the bronze.
If they judged fairly it would have been:
1. Yuna
2. Carolina
3. Adelina
In the interest of Cognitive Dissonance:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/s...n-womens-figure-skating.html?smid=tw-sochinyt
Some skaters are not as outraged.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/s...n-womens-figure-skating.html?smid=tw-sochinyt
Some skaters are not as outraged.
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Yes, and the numbers were inflated for ALL Russian skaters. As they were at Cup of Russia. Don't pretend like Russians didn't get some gifts. Adelina should have won a medal with those skates, but the scores were ridiculous, and had it been skated in a country besides Russia, she wouldn't have gotten that PCS, nor the gold.
Yulia was overscored in the short.
The Russian crowd was so poor. You can be nationalistic and enthusiastic for your own, but when you start cheering at mistakes, you're doing it wrong. You respect ALL skaters, not just the ones from your own country. Just such a disappointing Olympics, all around.
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Sotnikova skated like she lost her wig and looking for it on the ice. just running around everywhere with some really unrefined positions. she was overscored for the short especially and also the long. i think yuna was undermarked for her jumps, they deserved more plusses as she had far more flow than the russian especially.
Yeah, Kim won PCS... by 0.09.
Yes, Kim had less jumps and worse spins and lower levels and I am not questioning any of that. Sotnikova's TES in relation to other skaters is more or less ok. But she should have been way behind on the PCS.
Huh? Nagasu has never successfully executed in competition the kind of technical content Edmunds showed at the Olympics. She simply isn't capable of it.
2018 Olympics are going to be very interesting
Yeah, **** you Russia. See you in Pyeongchang
then just get rid of technical score. No more jump, only grace and maturity count. Then all the older champions such as Katarina Witt, Kristi Yamaguchi can all come back to compete in the future.
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It is hard because the 3 top skaters were deficient in different ways. Sotnikova had all those jumps but the skating is coarse. Kim has those perfect positions and extension but was a little flat. Carolina got through it, it was beautiful but cautious like Kim. And, not so much athletic skill as S. So, all feels a little muttled.
Kim was 9 points lower than Vancouver. No one can expect to stay on the top when their scores are coming down.
As for Gracie and Americans. Davis and White have shown the way. You must have passion about improving yourself and the sport. And, tolerance for highly detailed work - day in day out. Just trying to squeeze a few more points out of your program won´t work. The skating 4 years from now will be totally evolved. If half the field now has 3-3 combination the winners in 2018 will have to have quads and multiple 3-3´s. Like Davis and White they will have to study the forms - dance styles, esthetics - of the material they persent. A few Egyptian hand movements and eyeliner won´t cut it (sorry Kaitlan).
Can people stop slagging on Osmond?? Please??? I am super baffled by all the online bullying over a second-tier skater who seems sweet and bubbly. Maybe one or two posters have ever called her a podium threat so mocking her over one or two crazies seems so out there to me. It seems everything she does (including breathe) seems to be open for derision. First, she apparently dresses like a hooker when other costumes are even more revealing. People laugh that she falls or won't make top 10 when lots of skaters fell and didn't make top 10 (but had the potential to). I don't get it! :scratch: You'd think she is part of dog-fighting ring or something the way people jump on her.
It is hard because the 3 top skaters were deficient in different ways. Sotnikova had all those jumps but the skating is coarse. Kim has those perfect positions and extension but was a little flat. Carolina got through it, it was beautiful but cautious like Kim. And, not so much athletic skill as S. So, all feels a little muttled.
Kim was 9 points lower than Vancouver. No one can expect to stay on the top when their scores are coming down.
As for Gracie and Americans. Davis and White have shown the way. You must have passion about improving yourself and the sport. And, tolerance for highly detailed work - day in day out. Just trying to squeeze a few more points out of your program won´t work. The skating 4 years from now will be totally evolved. If half the field now has 3-3 combination the winners in 2018 will have to have quads and multiple 3-3´s. Like Davis and White they will have to study the forms - dance styles, esthetics - of the material they persent. A few Egyptian hand movements and eyeliner won´t cut it (sorry Kaitlan
It was impossible for Kim to score as high as she could in Vancouver, where she could do one extra jump in the FS compared to here and make up for the lack of a triple loop jump in her arsenal.
I don't think even Yuna Kim expected to win the Gold after seeing Sotnikova's score. It simply wasn't possible and the judges would have had to given her +3 GOE on everything and ridiculous PCS that would have made an even bigger mockery of the sport (factoring in how the program is laid out and how empty it is) than anything.
Scoring for everyone at these Olympics were higher than usual. 75% of the skaters who skated got PB scores even with mistakes in their programs. This happened in Vancouver as well. On difference is Yuna Kim was the big beneficiary of it then, and Sotnikova capitalized on it this time.
Ok, I'll bite. Yes, Mao flutzes. So does Adelina - except for today, when she wasn't called for it, because it wasn't in the script.
Let me be clear: I have no problem with Adelina winning on TES, even with her magically disappearing Lz edge and a couple of questionable GOE. It's her PCS (and Yulia's, for that matter) that I have a huge problem with. If you can somehow unbiasedly justify Adelina's 9.50 in CH, for instance, or her 9.18 in SS (higher than Carolina's), I'd be very interested to hear it.
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In case you haven't noticed: I'm agreeing with you as far as placements go.
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Of course Scott hamilton says that he is being paid to cover up all this nonsense. He is not going to rock the boat. He works for NBC and they're not going to embarrass Russia because then people would be disgusted and not watch. After the Sale and Pelletier scandal it's like everyone is being hushed. The IJS is really a system that was created to better justify the cheating.
She was clearly changing the edge on the lutz take-off. Maybe the panel decided it was still 'outside enough' not to get an 'e' call but the judges should know better and consider it in their GOE.
It would have surely been '!' under the old system and unclear edge on take-off should incur a -1 deduction.
Yulia gaines like 2 points in spins over most skaters, which helps keep her score up. Her PCS was back down to Pre-Sochi levels in the SP.
Everyone was scored high in this Olympics, across all disciplines. Even no-name skaters were getting PB scores for mediocre skates compared to what they did in the past. I don't see the scoring as being that much of an issue, except for the judges picking and choosing who they wanted to ding for URs (Reputation clearly played a role there).
