2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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what's funny is if they had kept Adelina's margin of victory closer to Yuna and Carolina's (like as close as the top three were in the short program), there wouldn't nearly be as much controversy, even if some people still felt Yuna or Caro deserved to be higher. But they propped Adelina up b/c they wanted her to win gold (and maybe were worried about what Yuna might do in the FP?), hence all the anger.
Silly judges...need to learn how to be more discreet with their corruption.
Silly judges...need to learn how to be more discreet with their corruption.
Sotnikova has gottan clean Lutzes ratified in the past, so this isn't an Ashley Wagner getting a clean Lutz call at Nationals sort of situation. Go back and look through the protocols, and see for yourself.
What about Yuna's Transitions PCS score? She does crossovers around the rink like she's on a public session. What about the GOE on her flip in the SP which was clearly NOT out of footwork and should have gotten a deduction for it (the way some judges made an excuse for marking Slutskaya's TM down in SLC). Her program was empty and her high PCS is largely the result of reputation scoring. They won't mark her down like she should be, because she has been getting scores that high for so long.
The only way to make another skater compete with that, is to boost their scores up when they deserve a higher placement.
The placements matter more than the scores at the end of the day, but I think you're being way too subjective when trying to explain Sotnikova's scores. Her program was the most difficult, she was the fastest, she didn't take any of the types of breaks Kostner took in her program (where she's visibly taking breaths to rest for the second half). The jumps and spins were brilliant.
If the placements are fine, why are people complaining about details that largely don't matter when the competition is over. In order for the best skater to win, the judges either needed to:
1. Bring Yuna's components down, which would leave people screaming bloody murder and "wuzrobbed" or
2. Bring Sotnikova's components up, which would do the same.
There was no win/win situation in this point and that often happens when you have Veteran Skaters being upstaged by upstarts. This same thing happened when Tara beat Michelle, and the same thing happened when Sarah Hughes won ("how did she get 5.9 TM with underrotated jumps" etc.).
Don't miss the forest through the trees.
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1) Adelina deserved to win. Two amazing skates
2) I am happy Yuna did not win. Well, she is amazing, don't get me wrong. But other girls were competing all these years in 5-7 competitions per year and Yuna was coming only to Worlds(but missed 2011-2012) and Olympics(well and Korean Nationals).As for me, it is not fair.
3) Adelina won by technical content by far. 7 triples, hardest spins. Btw, Yuna's spins seemed slow...
4) I don't get everyones love for Bolero, but we all have our own preferences.
5)My poor Julia was too nervous today and peaked early. She has a bright future ahead of her. But she is not a robot, she is a human. Hope she goes to Worlds!
6) CONGRATS TO ALL MEDALISTS!
2) I am happy Yuna did not win. Well, she is amazing, don't get me wrong. But other girls were competing all these years in 5-7 competitions per year and Yuna was coming only to Worlds(but missed 2011-2012) and Olympics(well and Korean Nationals).As for me, it is not fair.
3) Adelina won by technical content by far. 7 triples, hardest spins. Btw, Yuna's spins seemed slow...
4) I don't get everyones love for Bolero, but we all have our own preferences.
5)My poor Julia was too nervous today and peaked early. She has a bright future ahead of her. But she is not a robot, she is a human. Hope she goes to Worlds!
6) CONGRATS TO ALL MEDALISTS!
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Mao*
How would they do that? Do they all act in concert?
Well, she got a lot of +2 and even a +3 GOE on that combination. At least some of the judges considered it as good as Yuna's 3Lz+3T, even with the unclear edge.
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Love this comment and LOOL at the sky-fly comment i think everybody on the forum agrees with that. Is there an ignore list?
So many sour grapes. Sotnikova won the event. This is almost as bad as the aftermath of Lipinski winning in 1998. I wasn't pulling for Adelina.........................when it got down to the final 6 I wanted to see Carolina Kostner win the gold and see Gracie Gold rock the house and win bronze. Sotnikova won and imo, deserved the win. Maybe she isn't the best in the World, but in this Super Bowl of Figure Skating she was the best and I have no problem with her wearing the gold medal. Watch it again on "big NBC" tonight and watch the passion in Adelina's skating.
In other events, enthusiasm may not count..................in the Olympics, it counts and has counted for a long time. Hanyu won by default. Sotnikova handed in an Olympic gold performance. And these opinions are coming from an Alabama based figure skating fan who had to stomach Auburn and Oklahoma beating my beloved Crimson Tide. Adelina is Queen. Get used to it.
Mike
In other events, enthusiasm may not count..................in the Olympics, it counts and has counted for a long time. Hanyu won by default. Sotnikova handed in an Olympic gold performance. And these opinions are coming from an Alabama based figure skating fan who had to stomach Auburn and Oklahoma beating my beloved Crimson Tide. Adelina is Queen. Get used to it.
Mike
Why is that not fair? If she skates a program that's deserving of the points, then she deserves the correctly colored medal. Not her fault she can stand back for so long, come back, and still dominate.
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What kind of benefit for her in Vancouver except she was in the same time zone like American skaters? Remember she competed with Joannie, the darling of Canada? Yuna herself said there were not many fans in Vancouver just like in Sochi.
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Funny how Arakawa got 9th at Worlds before winning the Olympics and now Sotnikova does the same. 
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who are you? what planet are you from? what are you smoking? are you blind? Any reasonable human being (heck even Helen Keller) would have known Adelina AT BEST should have been 3rd. Gracie was in fact superior in PCS to her. Worst Olympics in the history of the Winter Games.
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I don't necessarily agree with Adelina winning but I can't deny she brought it in both programs. She wasn't a blip on anyone's radar b/c of her reputation of being a nervous skater BUT she's been steadily gaining confidence and consistency all year long. Honestly, I didn't think she'd hold up under the pressure. Hell, iron-nerved Julia was rattled...I did not expect her to rise to the occasion but she did. She threw it down in the FS and made it easy for the judges to boost her through the roof. To perform like that under that kind of pressure and in front of a home crowd...give her some credit where credit is due. She could have imploded but she stood up on everything.
Of course she was overscored in PCS but that shouldn't comes as a shock to anyone. We all saw the trend of scoring from COR to Euros to the team event. The problem was everyone was paying attention to Julia b/c of her consistency but people forget that Adelina always beats Julia in a head-to-head match when they're both clean. So I knew if they were putting Julia on even footing with the top names that meant Adelina would be right there if not higher...
No one expected Adelina to deliver but she did...and I'm happy for her. The judging was off but it's not fair to attack Adelina for doing what she's been training her entire life to do. She went out there, she attacked, she nailed her jumps, she skated with energy and life...that's the kind of Olympic performance people dream of having and I'm happy she was able to achieve it. She has nothing to do with the marks she received...
Yu-Na was very good in both programs. If the scoring were fair, she would have won again. But I must confess something, even though I may get torn apart for it: I was underwhelmed by both of Yu-Na's performances. She was clean and precise, easy and calm...but that fire, sparkle, dazzling quality she had in Vancouver was missing. She hit everything but there was no excitement, no swell of energy like there was for both Carolina and Adelina. They electrified the crowd with their performances...Yu-Na's performances, while clean and well executed, were very lackluster for me...something was missing. That said, she delivered again and proved she is one of the greatest skaters of all time. If what she said was true and the result doesn't matter to her, she should be thrilled that she delivered two great programs (again) at the Olympics regardless of the results. She is a legend in this sport and she proved it again today.
I thought Carolina was absolutely breathtaking and amazing in both programs. That SP was perfection. The music, the choreography...she cast a spell over that audience. I was so worried about her in the FS I was about to have a heart attack! I'm SO thrilled she was able to have that moment at the Olympics. That Bolero program is a masterpiece and to have her final performance of her career be her best ever is such a dream come true. I do think she deserved silver here but that bronze is as good as gold IMO...especially considering as how people were barely including her in the medal contender conversation. She is a treasure.
Mao was phenomenal...I've got a ton to write but I'll save if for my ladies review on my blog.
It was a very wacky kind of Olympics but I knew it would be...that's why I'm not surprised by the results in the least. I know people are going to be fuming about it for months but honestly, I am not bothered. I resigned myself to crappy scoring at this event waaaaaay back in November at Cup of Russia.
I just don't care enough to be upset/outraged/pissed off, etc. We all know how the judges manipulate the scores...it happens in every single competition. This is nothing new. All top 3 ladies skated amazingly and I think all three deserve to be on the podium...their order on the podium, OTOH, is up for debate.
Of course she was overscored in PCS but that shouldn't comes as a shock to anyone. We all saw the trend of scoring from COR to Euros to the team event. The problem was everyone was paying attention to Julia b/c of her consistency but people forget that Adelina always beats Julia in a head-to-head match when they're both clean. So I knew if they were putting Julia on even footing with the top names that meant Adelina would be right there if not higher...
No one expected Adelina to deliver but she did...and I'm happy for her. The judging was off but it's not fair to attack Adelina for doing what she's been training her entire life to do. She went out there, she attacked, she nailed her jumps, she skated with energy and life...that's the kind of Olympic performance people dream of having and I'm happy she was able to achieve it. She has nothing to do with the marks she received...
Yu-Na was very good in both programs. If the scoring were fair, she would have won again. But I must confess something, even though I may get torn apart for it: I was underwhelmed by both of Yu-Na's performances. She was clean and precise, easy and calm...but that fire, sparkle, dazzling quality she had in Vancouver was missing. She hit everything but there was no excitement, no swell of energy like there was for both Carolina and Adelina. They electrified the crowd with their performances...Yu-Na's performances, while clean and well executed, were very lackluster for me...something was missing. That said, she delivered again and proved she is one of the greatest skaters of all time. If what she said was true and the result doesn't matter to her, she should be thrilled that she delivered two great programs (again) at the Olympics regardless of the results. She is a legend in this sport and she proved it again today.
I thought Carolina was absolutely breathtaking and amazing in both programs. That SP was perfection. The music, the choreography...she cast a spell over that audience. I was so worried about her in the FS I was about to have a heart attack! I'm SO thrilled she was able to have that moment at the Olympics. That Bolero program is a masterpiece and to have her final performance of her career be her best ever is such a dream come true. I do think she deserved silver here but that bronze is as good as gold IMO...especially considering as how people were barely including her in the medal contender conversation. She is a treasure.
Mao was phenomenal...I've got a ton to write but I'll save if for my ladies review on my blog.
It was a very wacky kind of Olympics but I knew it would be...that's why I'm not surprised by the results in the least. I know people are going to be fuming about it for months but honestly, I am not bothered. I resigned myself to crappy scoring at this event waaaaaay back in November at Cup of Russia.
I just don't care enough to be upset/outraged/pissed off, etc. We all know how the judges manipulate the scores...it happens in every single competition. This is nothing new. All top 3 ladies skated amazingly and I think all three deserve to be on the podium...their order on the podium, OTOH, is up for debate.
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Yuna 74.50
Adelina 74.41
Carolina 73.77
Yulia 70.06
Mao 69.68
Ha, this is just ...... I really don't know how to express this.
Adelina beated Yuna by 5.48 points. Adelina's PCS should've been 33+70, so 7 points are already gone at least. If Adelina gets lv4 on both of her step sequences, Carolina and Yuna should, too. Carolina and Yuna's SP scores should've been something like 75+(mid-high) while Adelina 72+. I'm fine with Yuna's TES for LP, bcz I'd give her lv4 on her step (meaning +1 with GOE factor) but only 0 GOE for her 2nd Lz (meaning -1). Let alone some of Adelina's GOEs.. That'll be too long to write. I have to go to edit my ignore list. Will be very busy.
I was rather surprised that Russians were not enough brave to give Adelina more than 150+ to break Yuna's WR. That would have been very interesting :sarcasm:
Adelina 74.41
Carolina 73.77
Yulia 70.06
Mao 69.68
Ha, this is just ...... I really don't know how to express this.
Adelina beated Yuna by 5.48 points. Adelina's PCS should've been 33+70, so 7 points are already gone at least. If Adelina gets lv4 on both of her step sequences, Carolina and Yuna should, too. Carolina and Yuna's SP scores should've been something like 75+(mid-high) while Adelina 72+. I'm fine with Yuna's TES for LP, bcz I'd give her lv4 on her step (meaning +1 with GOE factor) but only 0 GOE for her 2nd Lz (meaning -1). Let alone some of Adelina's GOEs.. That'll be too long to write. I have to go to edit my ignore list. Will be very busy.
I was rather surprised that Russians were not enough brave to give Adelina more than 150+ to break Yuna's WR. That would have been very interesting :sarcasm:
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you are also on something.
Everyone was scored high, yes. And that is exactly what is the problem. Skaters getting mindless, automaton PCS marks which reflect the technical level and 'an overall impression' of the performance instead of how well the PCS criteria were satisfied.
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I don't say that judges should look at that. It is my opinion. I don't like it, I don't feel it is right.
The same as if Plushenko had skated with 3 quads(just imagination, not reality) and super clean, I would not like him over other skaters if they were clean.
