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LOL, according to the scores, Adelina had better Choreography and composition than Yuna and Carolina.
Are you freaking kidding me? Her choreography is not good at all this season, especially in the free skate. I can't with these judges. :disapp:
 
I have a question for all of you at GS forum. Do you guys think Yuna could have won solely based on the difference of her PCS points if she was scored a few points higher on PCS compared to Adelina? I know her TES score is a foregone conclusion since there was just no way for her to catch Adelina who didn't make any major mistakes other than the tiny glitch on her three-jump-combo landing. But what about PCS points? I think judges could have scored a couple points higher for Yuna on PCS since she herself went clean as well. In the end, though, I don't think the placement would have changed even with the PCS difference. Also, had Yuna defended the title by receiving higher marks on PCS only when her TES was significantly lower than Adelina's, I predict people would have cried "outrageous overscoring on Yuna" and that kind of thing. :scowl:
 
Do you disagree with me about the Russians jeering at other athletes making mistakes and shouting out Russia Russia the entire time and showing no courtesy or respect? So are you saying that because Russians don't think that Michelle Kwan deserved to beat Slutskaya, now they can turn around do whatever they want to do to rob that gold medal from one of the greatest figure skaters of all time? (I am quoting Scott Hamilton, Curt Browning, etc)

It was a clear robbery. You can't deny that Adelina's scores were all of sudden raised over 50 points in less than 2 months. She didn't even make it to the podium in 2013 worlds where Yuna won the gold, and all of sudden she beat a perfectly clean Yuna with an almost world record breaking score? Yes, you give me a break, too. This Sochi Olympics is pathetic and I hope you guys live happily ever after with your lovely Putin.

Yes but Adelina didnt skate like Worlds 2013 or GPF so whats the point of comparing? Agree she was way overscored though, I just dont agree with 50 points comparison effect, there is a tone of skaters at these Olys with SB. I m sort of happy at the end I watched live only men and pairs, plus Team event, cause I didnt feel like audience was laughing for other skaters mistakes, and they were shouting russia russia when either someone was winning or stepping for a warm up or a skate, which somehow I found ok and not different than Japanese audience shouting for Japan in the very same arena, it just happened that Russians were some thousand more than rest nationalities inside the rink and the loudest of course. Dont know how they were at ice dance and ladies, cant say.
 
If Yuna was American, Sandra, Johnny, Tara and Scott will be going nuts.

True. I can't wait to listen to Scott and Sandra's opinions tonight. It'll be interesting to see if they say Adelina is rightfully the winner.

I haven't respected Sandra since she was commenting on a pro tourney in the 90s and said Kristi Yamaguchi's program was superior to Midori Ito's. And it turns out Bezic choreographed the program for Kristi. Haven't been able to stomach her since. :) They couldn't fire her soon enough. Please do.

LOL, according to the scores, Adelina had better Choreography and composition than Yuna and Carolina.

This is the one that galls me the most. The others are more defensible but I don't get this at all. :p
 
I have a question for all of you at GS forum. Do you guys think Yuna could have won solely based on the difference of her PCS points if she was scored a few points higher on PCS compared to Adelina? I know her TES score is a foregone conclusion since there was just no way for her to catch Adelina who didn't make any major mistakes other than the tiny glitch on her three-jump-combo landing. But what about PCS points? I think judges could have scored a couple higher points for Yuna on PCS since she herself went clean as well. In the end, though, I don't think the placement would have changed even with the PCS difference. Also, had Yuna defended the title by receiving higher marks on PCS only when her TES was significantly lower than Adelina's, I predict people would have cried "outrageous overscoring on Yuna" and that kind of thing. :scowl:
People know how to access the score sheet, so yes. Also, the SP cushion was there. FS TES, tolerable within a permeable range of benefit, but the overall placement is not agreeable.
 
the problem is others disagree. One could use a similar argument why Davis and White should lose to Virtue and Moir = it is th eye of the beholder.

I haven't seen the programmes yet, but I'm not sure if this is a fair comparison. Both V/M and D/W are excellent in terms of skating skills, choreography, transitions etc. Yes, perhaps one might have a preference either way (I certainly do - I usually favour V/M), but objectively, I think they're comparable, or certainly very close. I don't have a problem with D/W winning -they skated lights out, nailed their technical elements, and ticked all the PCS boxes.

I think what a lot of people are getting at here is that PCS needs to be evaluated component by component, rather than just marking by a "corridor". A lot of people might accept that Adelina projected wonderfully and she really sold her programme. She should get rewarded for that. However, she also has weaker skating skills, poorer posture, and doesn't feel her music as much as Kim or Kostner. Things like that should also be rightfully reflected under her PCS scores.

I'm thrilled that Kostner has finally banished her Olympic demons, and that Asada came out and killed her programme after the terrible short last night. Kudos to Yuna for laying down another clean programme - girl must have nerves of steel! And well done to Sotnikova as well to have skated under all that pressure too.

Sigh. Figure skating really doesn't need another judging scandal. It absolutely does nothing for the credibility of this sport. :bang:
 
In Beijing 2008 almost all of the gymnastics medals went to China, and many of those athletes seemed overscored. Here, in Brazil's Pan Am 2007 a lot of the brazilian gymnasts were also given amazing scores, and like someone said earlier here, the crowd was not exactly sympathetic with the foreign athletes, constantly booing them, so the behavior ultra nationalist in Russia didn't struck to me as odd at all. Adelina skated the performance of her life, and, altough Yuna perhaps deserved the gold, Adelina delivered, and i sincerely doubt that any other country in the world would have passed the chance to give the top prize to their athlete with such a superb performance, regardless of a better competitor. It's sad, but a great part of the sports results are connected with politics and money.
 
This. I. totally. agree...

The only reason Yuna lost was because she's not Russian. Mao got lower scores than Adelina with a triple axel and seven other triples. Mao's not Russian either. Asley has more artistry than Julia but Julia beat her in that department as well. Ashley's not Russian.
 
Why wasn't he permanently banned? One year is ridiculous.

Because that is how the ISU does business. This is the only sport i can think of where a judge or referee can be caught cheating and be brought back after being suspended. No wonder this sport is corrupt.
 
FWIW:

MichaelWeiss2 4:02pm via Twitterrific
Haters out there:hate the game, not the player.
We all have our opinions on 1,2,3 & how they were chosen,but sk8rs did there jobs!#Sochi2014


JohnCoughlinUSA 3:55pm via Twitter for iPhone
If you're bashing on a nice kid who had a skate worthy of Olympic gold, I'd be mindful that skaters are a family & we come in bigger sizes.

J_Butt 3:44pm via Web
@RyanSBradley Ewww gross, are you serious? People are mad at HER?! She's one of the sweetest girls and had the skate of her life (to date).
 
I have a question for all of you at GS forum. Do you guys think Yuna could have won solely based on the difference of her PCS points if she was scored a few points higher on PCS compared to Adelina? I know her TES score is a foregone conclusion since there was just no way for her to catch Adelina who didn't make any major mistakes other than the tiny glitch on her three-jump-combo landing. But what about PCS points? I think judges could have scored a couple points higher for Yuna on PCS since she herself went clean as well. In the end, though, I don't think the placement would have changed even with the PCS difference. Also, had Yuna defended the title by receiving higher marks on PCS only when her TES was significantly lower than Adelina's, I predict people would have cried "outrageous overscoring on Yuna" and that kind of thing. :scowl:

Who are you to state that TES matter is "a foregone conclusion"? Yuna should have won based on the right TES and PCS Adelina should've gotten for her sp and lp, which would've had Yuna and Carolina in Gold and Silver respectively.
 
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