2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

[Blades of Passion]

The scores should have been close either way, but after watching the clearest video possible and taking the time to thoroughly examine the technical elements I'm quite upset with this result now. Sotnikova's footwork sequence had weak edges throughout the whole thing and really should not have gotten those crazy bonus marks for quality. Yu-Na Kim's footwork sequence was called as a Level 3 but I see no reason why it shouldn't have been called as a Level 4, after counting each and every step and rotation. Her execution of it was far better than what Sotnikova did as well.

That, combined with the underrotated jump Sotnikova didn't get called on AND the very bad PCS judging (I have to give Yu-Na extra credit for her speed in this performance and the sharpness of some of the arm movements I didn't get the full effect of in the previous video feeds), is just a ridiculous level of Russian bias.

 

[Irina89]

I think any of the three ladies could have won after their performances last night. I all depended on the country the event was skated in. If this was Torino 2006, I have no doubt that Kostner would have won. And I think even Kim's fans must admit that she is no longer Yuna from 2010.

 

[Skater Boy]

Yuna Kim = 219.11
Carolina Kostner = 219.11
Adelina Sotnikova 70.52 + 136.61 = 207.13 (I gave her the PCS of Ashley Wagner and kept her
original TES even though Ashley skating is superior to hers.) You see it's a toss between her and Gracie if justice was served.
Gracie Gold = 205.53

justice???? Really how in the heck is Gracie so close with a fall? I guess justice is in the eye of the beholder and why should Sotnikova deserve Wagner's pcs I am so glad the public are not reading these posts. It would nail the coffin on figure skating. The outrage in the ladies shold or could fairly be done in danc eand pairs too as well as men. But Kim is very popular and did skate well but the judge chose someone else. she has fame,, fortune and skating success she is a winner no matter what. We can't even agree ourselves on who should win or how things should be looked at.

 

[bekalc]

The scores should have been close either way, but after watching the clearest video possible and taking the time to thoroughly examine the technical elements I'm quite upset with this result now. Sotnikova's footwork sequence had weak edges throughout the whole thing and really should not have gotten those crazy bonus marks for quality. Yu-Na Kim's footwork sequence was called as a Level 3 but I see no reason why it shouldn't have been called as a Level 4, after counting each and every step and rotation. Her execution of it was far better than what Sotnikova did as well.

That, combined with the underrotated jump Sotnikova didn't get called on AND the very bad PCS judging (I have to give Yu-Na extra credit for her speed in this performance and the sharpness of some of the arm movements I didn't get the full effect of in the previous video feeds), is just a ridiculous level of Russian bias.

Are you sure Kim didn't underrate her 3lutz? The callers are the callers and they weren't Russian. We can nit pick as much as we want.

 

[bibi24]

WOW what a night of skating, stayed up till 3:30am (Chinas)

I enjoyed everyone's performances, but enjoyed Kostner the most!

(wish I cared enough to argue about the results like you guise)

 

[thebadsleepwell]

Kim hasn't skated at an international competition alongside these same skaters this year until tonight. Scores across competitions are helpful in determining the quality category of the skaters, but it is only at the same competition that scores are justly compared.

What do you mean. She has already competed against Asada, Sotnikova, Gold, Wagner, Kostner, etc. She beat them all last year when she won first place at the 2013 World Figure Skating Championship - which by the way, was her first competition after a year and a half hiatus and an injury. (FYI: Sotnikova was ranked 9th in that competition.) Do you even follow the main figure skating news? I noticed earlier that you were not even aware that Kim Yuna is officially retiring after Sochi. She's completely done, she even confirmed it again after her free skate.

 

[Mista Ekko]

First of all, to all posters, I'd appreciate some civility, please don't insult with "delusional", etc.

Look CAREFULLY at the pictures, Sotnikova's isn't shorter in distance, her jump was portrayed in an ARC, the distance traveled are similar, if not longer in Sotnikova's 2A.

Also, look at the LANDING POSITIONS. Sotnikova has more flow out.

How do you argue then that Kim has a more difficult spin?

This is why it is meaningless to file online petitions, rabid fans don't even look at the evidence with an open mind.

"Everyone KNOWS" the results, already, seriously? Doesn't this sound like a rigged competition?

No, I disagree, NOBODY knows until the night of the skating, when skaters are pitted side by side. Kim hasn't skated at an international competition alongside these same skaters this year until tonight. Scores across competitions are helpful in determining the quality category of the skaters, but it is only at the same competition that scores are justly compared.

A) Kim didn't skate in any competition with them last year either, Didn't hurt her much
B) Sotnikova did, And managed scores nowhere near what she got in this competition.
C) Why look carefully at these pictures, When we can look carefully at the videos ?
D) You yourself act like you "know the results already" as well, So why the heat ?
E) We are talking about Jump GOE, And mostly PCS, I'm very happy for sotnikova that she scored a bit better in the 3-4 elements you keep bringing up, The rest are questionable.
F) It's not meaningless to file online petitions, And i still don't get why you're so much against it
G) I'm not a Kim uber, I'm a skating Uber Doober, And the only reason i'm rabid right now is because i could'nt sleep ever since the ladies FS, I'm crushed and hurt.

 

[thebadsleepwell]

Oh, we are happy indeed. And karma is exactly what you said - Slutskaya robbed, Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze humiliated by the second OGM awarded to that mediocre Canadian couple, and now finally we get a reward for all that c**p. Fair and square.

Sure, you won this time, but the rest of the world sees it as a tainted victory. I genuinely feel sorry for Adelina because even though she skated a very strong program, many, many people do not see her as a true victor. Her legacy is the "girl who shouldn't have won gold".

 

[Mista Ekko]

The scores should have been close either way, but after watching the clearest video possible and taking the time to thoroughly examine the technical elements I'm quite upset with this result now. Sotnikova's footwork sequence had weak edges throughout the whole thing and really should not have gotten those crazy bonus marks for quality. Yu-Na Kim's footwork sequence was called as a Level 3 but I see no reason why it shouldn't have been called as a Level 4, after counting each and every step and rotation. Her execution of it was far better than what Sotnikova did as well.

That, combined with the underrotated jump Sotnikova didn't get called on AND the very bad PCS judging (I have to give Yu-Na extra credit for her speed in this performance and the sharpness of some of the arm movements I didn't get the full effect of in the previous video feeds), is just a ridiculous level of Russian bias.

Another 2 friends of mine disected the 2 footwork sequences and came up with the same thing, I myself can't do that yet though

 

[qwertyskates]

What do you mean. She has already competed against Asada, Sotnikova, Gold, Wagner, Kostner, etc. She beat them all last year when she won first place at the 2013 World Figure Skating Championship - which by the way, was her first competition after a year and a half hiatus and an injury. (FYI: Sotnikova was ranked 9th in that competition.) Do you even follow the main figure skating news? I noticed earlier that you were not even aware that Kim Yuna is officially retiring after Sochi. She's completely done, she even confirmed it again after her free skate.

Read my post, I said this past year. World's was March 2013, we're end of Feb 2014.

There's a WHOLE year of Grand Prix Kim didn't participate in.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Read my post, I said this past year. World's was March 2013, we're end of Feb 2014.

There's a WHOLE year of Grand Prix Kim didn't participate in.

If your'e gonna be a smartass, That march Worlds was within the last 12 months...

And it didn't hurt Kim at worlds that she didn't participate in anything last year

 

[visgiven]

This is why we can't take you Kim ubers seriously.

Oh, and I smell some newly minted "Russian" trolls...wow, the online army is truly mobilized.

Why are you calling me a "Kim uber"? I'm just one of those people who are doubting if Sotnikova really deserved the gold here. Definitely a medal, but gold? Also I have the hardest time understanding how she was "better" than Mao in FS. Seriously? Julia just over 200 with two huge falls and both short and free not clean? Oh, am I being "Russophobia" as you call it?

Well, yes, this is my first time actually leaving comments, but I've been viewing pages and reading tons of comments here before. I just never really typed anything til now. Is that a problem?

 

[vegarin]

This is why we can't take you Kim ubers seriously.

Oh, and I smell some newly minted "Russian" trolls...wow, the online army is truly mobilized.


Article reads:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?_r=1

How Sotnikova Beat Kim, Move by Move

The scores for Adelina Sotnikova and Kim Yu-na were close for most of their long program elements. But Sotnikova took a significant lead in a few areas. Adam Leib, a coach and national technical specialist for U.S. Figure Skating, analyzes the performances. FEB. 20, 2014


This is someone who puts his reputation on the line, who has gone through the competition with a fine-toothed comb. I agree with him because I witnessed the same last night.

Yes, I would take weird views of anonymous internet posters over the opinion of a technical specialist published in a reputed newspapers, right.

For god's sake. For one article that insists Adelina beat Yuna on her technical elements (the BV of total between SP and FP turned out to be what, 2.98 points?), there's another article from LA Times and New York Times that the judging was questionable. We have other skaters (Witt, anyone?) calling it as suspicious. That one article you're quoting doesn't have the last say on anything. This topic at least merits some discussion.

If judging was so fair and square, it could live up to some scrutiny. So why not let it? Let us look at the judging and finally be able to declare that despite some weird placement of Russia-connected judges, Adelina won fair and square.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Why are you calling me a "Kim uber"? I'm just one of those people who are doubting if Sotnikova really deserved the gold here. Definitely a medal, but gold? Also I have the hardest time understanding how she was "better" than Mao in FS. Seriously? Julia just over 200 with two huge falls and both short and free not clean? Oh, am I being "Russophobia" as you call it?

Well, yes, this is my first time actually leaving comments, but I've been viewing pages and reading tons of comments here before. I just never really typed anything til now. Is that a problem?

Congrats on starting to post,

And on being totally reasonable

 

[lovetmzaki]

Why are you calling me a "Kim uber"? I'm just one of those people who are doubting if Sotnikova really deserved the gold here. Definitely a medal, but gold? Also I have the hardest time understanding how she was "better" than Mao in FS. Seriously? Julia just over 200 with two huge falls and both short and free not clean? Oh, am I being "Russophobia" as you call it?

Well, yes, this is my first time actually leaving comments, but I've been viewing pages and reading tons of comments here before. I just never really typed anything til now. Is that a problem?

:thumbsup::agree:

 

[vegarin]

If your'e gonna be a smartass, That march Worlds was within the last 12 months...

And it didn't hurt Kim at worlds that she didn't participate in anything last year

Yep, but it wasn't in Russia.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Yep, but it wasn't in Russia.

 

[Mista Ekko]

I hate this, I hate disliking skaters because of judges and federations :\

I wish they could've just given her the bronze and portrayed it as what it is, A prize for her 2 solid skates

 

[qwertyskates]

A) Kim didn't skate in any competition with them last year either, Didn't hurt her much
B) Sotnikova did, And managed scores nowhere near what she got in this competition.
C) Why look carefully at these pictures, When we can look carefully at the videos ?
D) You yourself act like you "know the results already" as well, So why the heat ?
E) We are talking about Jump GOE, And mostly PCS, I'm very happy for sotnikova that she scored a bit better in the 3-4 elements you keep bringing up, The rest are questionable.
F) It's not meaningless to file online petitions, And i still don't get why you're so much against it
G) I'm not a Kim uber, I'm a skating Uber Doober, And the only reason i'm rabid right now is because i could'nt sleep ever since the ladies FS, I'm crushed and hurt.

Prove your accusation that I acted like I "knew the results already"? Go ahead, prove it.

Sotnikova beat Kim in TES, not PCS, even though I felt Mao deserves even higher PCS than Kim with this FS, not her SP.

Of course it's the whole performance, not just one jump, but at least Adam Leib has cred as does the NYTimes and most reputable newspapers. If they make allegations, they will back them up, unlike internet posters.

 

[yuki90]

YuNa
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x

3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
3S+2T 5.50
3Lz 6.60 
2A+2T+2Lo 7.04 
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x 
Total 61.84

Sotnikova
3T+3T 8.20 
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x

3Lz+3T 10.10 (Wrong edge. should get -GOE -1~-2 but Judges gave +GOE.)
3F 5.30
3Lo 5.10 
2A+3T 8.14 x
3F+2T+2Lo 9.24 x 
3S 4.62 x 
2A 3.63 x
Total 63.26 

the difference is only 1.42 point.
Their PCS is almost same in both SP and FP.
YuNa's step sequence got level 3 in SP and FP and Adelina got level 4 and 1.7 GOE.
This is fixed from the beginnig.YuNa was robbed gold medal.