you can argue all you want about adelina's technical scores bringing home the bacon but everybody who's pissed off about the judging knows she didn't just magically became this great all around skater capable of stratospheric scores when she goes clean. i didnt see li zijun scoring even remotely close to that when she went clean with essentially the same jump layout as adelina's at world's 2013. we know in our hearts and mind who the real olympic champion and silver medalist are and neither the adelina ubers nor putin's suitcases of cash can change that.
2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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This.
Qwerty,
I gave you so much more support than you. How bout you answer some of the questions I raised. I mentioned 2 dubious judges and 2 protocols that look very overscored. What did you bring to the table so far? Please enlighten me!!!
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No, sorry, you guys only brought pages after pages of flooding of your suspicions, insinuations, insults, attacks and staunch beliefs that Kim deserves gold, NOTHING else. Come on, show us a specialist play by play breakdown of why Kim should beat Sotnikova, surely you can find one? How about a Korean skate specialist? I'm open-minded, if there's a Korean specialist who can break it down for us, I'm curious.
While I believe my own eyes, I linked to TWO experts from reputable press, should I dig more up for you lot?
Some posts are quite hilarious, eg. "skating like a car on unpaved road"...
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No, sorry, you guys only brought pages after pages of flooding of your suspicions, insinuations, insults, attacks and staunch beliefs that Kim deserves gold, NOTHING else. Come on, show us a specialist play by play breakdown of why Kim should beat Sotnikova, surely you can find one? How about a Korean skate specialist? I'm open-minded, if there's a Korean specialist who can break it down for us, I'm curious.
While I believe my own eyes, I linked to TWO experts from reputable press, should I dig more up for you lot?
Some posts are quite hilarious, eg. "skating like a car on unpaved road"...
okay Sotnikova fan, calm the pipe down.
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I already answered you, with facts and logic. If you cannot understand it, that it's innocent until PROVEN guilty, that the system randomly drops judges' scores, drops the highest and lowest before giving an AVERAGE, therefore you're quite insane to harp on and on about one or two "questionable protocols", it's not my fault, sorry.:sarcasm:
Like I said, we're open to your proof. Since you are so convinced, you must have irrefutable proof right? Show us. Or better still, send it to the press. They'd have a field day. Imagine the media windfall!
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First of all, I'm not a Sotnikova fan, I am a skating fan. I'm a fairness fan. How about you ask Kim fans to calm down? It wasn't me who flooded this board with shill allegations without proof.
Pages after pages of this BS is just disrespectful to a VICTIM here, Sotnikova.
I appreciate her fine skate, Mao's fine skate, Kim's good skate. Have you thought about the opposite, if Kim had won and this kind of mass dissing takes place? Is that right?
However, double standards is just fine isn't it, when it comes to Kim and her ubers?
Look, to be fair and balanced is give EQUAL airing to THE OTHER SIDE, ok?
I misspoke. What I meant was that she only fell on a flip. Ashley's mistake on the combination also destroyed the value of the good flip jump in it because combo are evaluated mostly as a unit and her jumps are only average in quality.
Additionally, as I stated her spins weren't great and tulip did a triple lutz triple toe put of steps as her combination. The footwork is a GOE bullet.
For those who don't know. Julia does a lot of her jumps out of transitions to force the GOE up.
Of course you are more factual and logical with nothing concrete to back what you said...lol. I went into details while you just spout generalizations. Your links just raises more questions about the judging more than anything. Also more experts are questioning the judging than supporting the outcome.
Just go to this thread:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...dging-by-Network-commentators-NBC-CBC-BBC-etc
There is really no comparison in terms of lot more experts doubting the judging than supporting the outcome.
.. I hope those are tears of relief and wonderment at her decorated career and not due to the overwhelming feeling of being the victim of an unfair situation..
In the interview Yuna sounded a lot like Lu Chen did when her country forced her to compete when she didn't want to. It was almost like she didn't give a hoot. Basically said I'm just glad it's over. It doesn't seem like she enjoys training at all anymore and just wants to move on. Korea probably pressured her to come back for those two spots and to win a sureedal for them. That explains why her programs and performance was so muted.
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Like I said, I don't care about opinions, and these are just opinions, many of them crudely expressed. Give me the play by play, show us instances when Kim's jumps, spins, etc. were far superior, surely some of these outraged folks can do you and us a favor, to highlight this gross injustice, like how those who thought Sotnikova's gold is deserved already did? Surely Korean specialists must have done such a thing?
I'm waiting for a BALANCE.
I have seen many, many play by play analysis of how Sotnikova beat Kim in the media. I'd like to see the other side, how Kim beat Sotnikova, play by play.
I've seen and heard many, many accusations, allegations, insinuations, attacks, etc. on judging and how Sotnikova doesn't deserve gold.
It's time for these opinions to be backed up, not just thrown around. The videos and photos are out there, do us a favor and prove the judges and skating specialist were wrong, and that Kim was robbed. Surely this is worth it to bring justice to Kim.
Otherwise, this ugly whispering campaign is simply hurting Sotnikova and the judges.
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au...igure-skating-gold-medal-controversy/?cs=3329
Not one person in skating I've talked to said that's the way (the result) should have gone,” former US Olympic figure skating coach Audrey Weisiger told USA Today.
The judging pool for the free skating program was slightly different to the one that had awarded Kim top points in the short program the night before.One addition was Ukranian Yuri Balkov.In her book The Second Mark: Courage, Corruption and the Battle for Olympic Gold, author Joy Goodwin wrote that hours before the finals of the 1998 Olympic ice dancing competition in Nagano, Canadian judge Jean Senft tape-recorded a phone call made to her hotel room by Balkov.
Not one person in skating I've talked to said that's the way (the result) should have gone,” former US Olympic figure skating coach Audrey Weisiger told USA Today.
The judging pool for the free skating program was slightly different to the one that had awarded Kim top points in the short program the night before.One addition was Ukranian Yuri Balkov.In her book The Second Mark: Courage, Corruption and the Battle for Olympic Gold, author Joy Goodwin wrote that hours before the finals of the 1998 Olympic ice dancing competition in Nagano, Canadian judge Jean Senft tape-recorded a phone call made to her hotel room by Balkov.
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I did get that feeling from Kim that she didn't care as much as she did in Vancouver about gold. She even said yesterday (rather brashly, IMO) that she is already Olympic champion, and that she simply wants to skate her best.
She did skate her best so she achieved her goal, even if it wasn't gold. She can't just assume that if she skates clean she will have a huge lead over the pack or win.
She did skate her best so she achieved her goal, even if it wasn't gold. She can't just assume that if she skates clean she will have a huge lead over the pack or win.
It is certainly possible for several judges to try to influence the score. What if several judges give the highest score ? Do they all get dropped? I don't think so, but correct me if I am wrong. And what is the probability of two identical high
scores getting dropped in the random drop? And then there is the technical controller, who can call or not call ur's or edges and determine levels. I'm not saying it happened here, but it is possible to try to tilt the scores in favor of a skater if several judges work together.
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The tech controller certainly had this effect, not calling out any of Julia's flutzes to keep her ahead of Mao, and I suspect Sotnikova's 3T was UR but was given to her.
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There were a lot of experts thinking Plushenko should have won in Vancouver, including the infurious today Katarina Witt and ISU survived the critisism then too. But of course being a Plush fan it suited me to read all these comments. So bottom line, all these people that are experts and I fully respect their opinion are more experts than an ISU judge? Even if the Russian judge or Nagano judge put all 10s for Adelina, the highest and lowest is thrown out, what about the rest 7?
That's one possible reading for it. You could be right, or jkun be right. Who knows what goes in that mysterious zen master's head? But let's not assume as if we know what she's going through. And her programs being so muted - eh, I don't think so, but ymmv.
Anyhow, this entire discussion seems fruitless. One side believes that a seemingly sudden rise of PCS and GOE, "weird" judge list, plus the reactions of commentators/skaters is enough indication that something is funny with judging. The other thinks thinks that's just the way it is and not enough indication of anything, and the upset party is only being a sore loser. Trading barbs isn't going to bring any consensus.
All the ladies skated very well, at least. There's a comfort in that.
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and rabid at that
