2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

[MK's Winter]

I feel soo bad for Adelina right now. All this girl did was give her all and let the pieces fall where they may. Do I think she should have had PCS that high, no. Did she deserve the high TES, yes. Would I have her win, probably not. Does she deserve to be on the podium, absolutely. An Olympic moment probably ruined.

I feel bad for Carolina as well. I think this was the skater that was short changed. Such a beautiful program and the best she has ever skated. She is the gold medalist to me.

Yuna Kim is a great skater, there is no doubt, but she seemed very bored to me. I don't feel she sold that tango though. I felt her performance was flat. She did the elements well bit there was no passion.

Mao is a treasure and her free skate was everything. The short program will not diminish how special she is to me. True champion in every sense of the word. Her short was unfortunate and she would have won had she done a clean short. She was too far back to medal. I am glad she had redemption though.

 

[qwertyskates]

A slow-mo like this?

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/2014/02/2014_02_20_14_15_34/5e0be99f9.gif

Yep, I can see how this skate rivals Yuna's 150 in Vancouver.

I would also love to see more slow-mo's of Adelina, breaking at the waist and high kicking.

And this is the 200th time we're saying this, this is ONE jump out of 7, and has been CORRECTLY marked with -GOE. :sarcasm:

Shall we also slo mo some horrible jumps of Kim to show she's not "Queen" material?

I would like to see slomo of other elements that they didn't show in replay, including StepsSequences and Spins to compare Sotnikova's performance with Kim's, Mao's and Caro's FS. This is purely from INTEREST IN FS point of view!!!

 

[leafygreens]

And this is the 200th time we're saying this, this is ONE jump out of 7, and has been CORRECTLY marked with -GOE. :sarcasm:

Shall we also slo mo some horrible jumps of Kim to show she's not "Queen"?

Where are those jumps in the Olympic competition? Please show us. You're still not answering how Adelina deserves a 149.

 

[qwertyskates]

Where are those jumps in the Olympic competition? Please show us. You're still not answering how Adelina deserves a 149.

The judges did the answering, it's up to you to show play by play HOW she doesn't deserve her scores vis Kim and judges were wrong. Go ahead, waiting.....

 

[Ophelia]

The judges did the answering, it's up to you to show play by play HOW she doesn't deserve her scores vis Kim and judges were wrong. Go ahead, waiting.....

http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

 

[yuki90]

UK EURO Sports.

When Adelina Sotnikova of Russia won the gold medal in women's figure skating over South Korea's Yuna Kim on Thursday night, it was the signature moment of the Sochi Games for the host nation. For many skating fans, however, it was a serious injustice.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...utraged-fans-over-russian-gold-113533770.html

 

[qwertyskates]

Where are those jumps in the Olympic competition? Please show us. You're still not answering how Adelina deserves a 149.

Actually, the frame caps on NYTimes showed a very poor exit from Kim's 3-2 combo, 2 footed?

 

[jenaj]

The GOE value from the nine judges is averaged using the "trimmed mean" procedure, discarding the highest and lowest values and averaging the remaining seven.[2]

Is that correct? I thought two scores were dropped randomly and the high/low scores were also dropped and five scores were averaged.

 

[yuki90]

http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

wow. THIS IS IT. All Russians should read this.
Especially qwertyskates who's pretending to be a skating experts.
for god sake, Kim's horrible jump??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Adelina Sotnikova and her many Russian fans are very happy about the 17-year-old's new gold medal in figure skating.
The rest of the figure-skating world isn't as enthused, and some are even claiming that Sotnikova benefitted from Russian judges and a hometown crowd, and that without that outside help, she could never have beaten South Korea's Kim Yu-na and Italy's Carolina Kostner.

 

[jenaj]

What IF is not enough, that is suggestion, suspicion, you have to give PROOF that all those judges were bribed. If ALL the judges gave the same high marks, does it cross your mind that perhaps Sotnikova deserved them??

The tech controller gave the call for some but not others, like in any international competitions. Kim had mistakes that weren't called out too. I let all of these slide, because you won't ever get a 100% correct assessment. The question here is did anything akin to cheating/bribery take place. Was Kim's skate superior to Sotnikova? How so? Proof?

Let's be fair here, anyone who believes firmly that Kim should win can do the same as those who presented how Sotnikova won, ie. show a breakdown, frame by frame, to bring justice to Kim. Otherwise, allegations without proof is UNJUST to Sotnikova.

How can there be proof when the judges are anonymous? And calm down, I just said it was possible.

 

[qwertyskates]

http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

Oh, so this catty piece is where most of you got your ammo to post these baseless allegations. Have you looked at scoresheets of say, Hanyu? They look like this, rows of 3s. It showed this judge thought very highly of her skating, but you and the author FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONTEXT, the sea of 2s and 3s from ALL the judges. If it's a sea of 0s and 1s, and a judge gave all 3s, then yeah, there's something outrageous about that particular judge's score. Similarly, Kim's scoresheet is a sea of 1s and 2s, the circled row doesn't stand out at all, but the one with straight 3s sure did. Don't worry, the highest and lowest are dropped anyway, so they cancel each other out.

It showed that the judges ALL thought Sotnikova's GOE was between +2-+3 for all but one of her elements, and likewise, they ALL thought that Kim's GOE was mostly between +1-+2, with a sprinkling of 3s.

Can we remind you for the 1000th time that the highest and the lowest scores are dropped, along with two randomly selected scores? So these 3s for Sotnikova and 1s would likely have been dropped, and it's up to the rest of the averages to yield the results. From the looks of it, ALL judges offer CONSISTENT judgment on BOTH athletes.

 

[qwertyskates]

Go **** your mom idiot. If you don't know how to watch figure skating just **** off, Putin's dog.

You show the sublime quality of what Kim's fanbase is made of.

Post often, post long!

 

[chloepoco]

Go **** your mom idiot. If you don't know how to watch figure skating just **** off, Putin's dog.

I really don't think comments like this belong here...(as well as your user name)

 

[DarR]

Oh, so this catty piece is where most of you got your ammo to post these baseless allegations. Have you looked at scoresheets of say, Hanyu? They look like this, rows of 3s. It showed this judge thought very highly of her skating, but you and the author FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONTEXT, the sea of 2s and 3s from ALL the judges. If it's a sea of 0s and 1s, and a judge gave all 3s, then yeah, there's something outrageous about that particular judge's score. Similarly, Kim's scoresheet is a sea of 1s and 2s, the circled row doesn't stand out at all.

Can we remind you for the 1000th time that the highest and the lowest scores are dropped, along with two randomly selected scores? So these 3s for Sotnikova and 1s would likely have been dropped, and it's up to the rest of the averages to yield the results. From the looks of it, ALL judges offer CONSISTENT judgment on BOTH athletes.

The point isn't that the highest and lowest scores are dropped, we all know that. The problem is one judge rewarded Sotnikova with a +3 GOE for every element she executed (except the 3F combo and her choreo sq). How should you justify that?

 

[YesWay]

UK EURO Sports.

When Adelina Sotnikova of Russia won the gold medal in women's figure skating over South Korea's Yuna Kim on Thursday night, it was the signature moment of the Sochi Games for the host nation. For many skating fans, however, it was a serious injustice.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...utraged-fans-over-russian-gold-113533770.html

From that page:

"the majority of support has come from inside Korea, with nearly 90 percent of supporters reaching the site from Kim's home country"
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"Fairly or not, these fans are more likely to be accused of their own forms of bias, because they're not exactly impartial observers."​

I also have to wonder how many of those petitioners are from a) automated bots, or b) people who didn't even see the skating...

 

[leafygreens]

From that page:

"the majority of support has come from inside Korea, with nearly 90 percent of supporters reaching the site from Kim's home country"
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"Fairly or not, these fans are more likely to be accused of their own forms of bias, because they're not exactly impartial observers."​

I also have to wonder how many of those petitioners are from a) automated bots, or b) people who didn't even see the skating...

Why is it that Korean fans are "biased," so we have to ignore what they say? But the Soviet bloc judges are not "biased," and their decision is the final word?

 

[kandidy]

I signed too and I m from Japan

 

[bebevia]

I think we have a troll disguised as anti-Sotnikova. Reported.

 

[YesWay]

Why is it that Korean fans are "biased," so we have to ignore what they say? But the Soviet bloc judges are not "biased," and their decision is the final word?

I think the point they're making is, 90% Koreans... when one of the main "victims" was Korean... doesn't sound impartial: If the judging was really such a travesty, why aren't there equal numbers of figure skating fans from all the other countries signing?

By the way, has anyone actually made an official complaint yet? Because supposedly, that's all it takes to trigger a formal investigation - a petition shouldn't be necessary.

 

[fairly4]

i have to agree with the judges. on tv for me it came across that adelina skated more with the music, and yuna was a bit off.

for me the judges thank you got it right from the skaters i saw the top 9.

i woulde agree adelina deserved 1st, maybe not the score of 149 but 145.
yuna 2nd
carolina 3rd

gracie4th and so on
it was in russia expect a bump. dont forget yuna got a bump in vancover in scores
yes yuna had more flow but she wasn't as fluid as normal . she seemed a bit off.
i might had had carolna free pcs scores a bit higher than yuna.

but what really bother me more than anything is this
in the pairs, top 3 medalist also did the team competition either short/long so they did at least 3 olympic programs
the dance the top 3 medalist especially the top 2 did 4 olympic programs and the bronze where i would put p/b over i/k due to a couple of slips on the ice that i saw but okay with result all three did at least 3 olympic worth programs.
in the mens the top 2 did at least 3 olympic programs only denis ten did 2

in the ladies it seem they was punished for doing the team event since only 3rd place finisher did 3 olympic programs. the top 2 only did 2 olympic programs.

for me that means the skaters who did the team events had to pace themselves in the olympics to do at least 3 great/good olympic programs.
gold/silver only 2 olympic programs. did that mean doesn't deserve it no. they skated and and should place well. but did they skating in team event hurt skaters placing 3-8th. except for carolina kostner all had mistakes in either individual short/long where adelina, yuna didn't.

i think adelina got bump due to yulia skate in team event because all of sudden yulia was suppose to beat yuna in individual--yulia fell in short, mao blew short, gracie hiccup landings, ashely ur her triple/triple, akiko messed up . did team help or hurt ladies i think this time the team hurt the ladies scores in the short, held them down except for skaters just skating 2 olympic program. it can mean more olympic pressure in skating more than 3 olympic programs for over 2 weeks vs 2 programs versus 1 day.
it can go either way. hurt yulia, kinda help gracie, gave confidence to carolina