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2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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Wrong. The step sequence in Yuna's LP, is one of the most gorgeous, most emotive I've ever seen.
Yes 5 and 8 points over Yuna and Carolina. That is a landslide in FS. Adelina won by a landslide. Something is wrong with the system where 3 ladies skate great performances and one wins by a landslide and 18 points above her personal best
It is a shame for Adelina bc she deserved her win. But the spread of her marks and her higher pcs tarnishes her win in many eyes when it really should not. She will be under alot of pressure to duplicate her great skate in non Russian territory at worlds
We have never seen Adelina win a senior competition outside of Russia, except Golden Spin. No Grand Prix wins, no world medals, etc. Perhaps Adekina is a skater who feeds off a Russian crowd.
Not every OGM is remembered as a great. When is the last time we heard of Sarah Hughes? Adelina will have to show she can win outside Russia to be remembered as a great.
Adelina scored higher than Yuna's Vancouver win which is ridiculous. Some Olympic programs are iconic a Yuna's in 2010, Witt's Carmen, Virtue and Moore Vancouver win, etc., even really Sarah Hughes program. I don't think the same of Adelina. She was the best of the night but it was not the same kind of iconic performance
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I wanted to wait until the heat in the thread came down a bit before posting my thoughts on this event.
I do think the podium order was absolutely fine, even though Sotnikova's margin of victory should've been less gaping. Despite her two footing the end of her 3-2-2 combination, she did manage to successfully rotate each jump in that sequence; however, I do question why she received less negative GOE than Yuna Kim on her 3lutz, which she landed forward on. Other than that, though, her cleanly executed jumps (for lack of a better term) "just rang a bell" more than Yuna's did, and her spins were in another class (Yuna's layback has always been an issue for me).
Additionally, be it due to the home crowd's support of Adelina's energy, she sold that program, and unlike Yuna Kim, she planned most of her technical content for the bonus section (unlike Kim, who front loaded her program). I'm a big Yuna Kim fan, but watching the live and tape delayed feeds, I couldn't help but thinking she felt tentative technically and detached from her music.
I was so pleased to see Carolina Kostner deliver two clean performances and win that ever elusive Olympic medal. The performance that rung with me most was Mao Asada's, and it was so moving to see her come back after that disastrous short program and deliver a perfect free skate (even though I think the loop in her 3F-3Lo looked finely rotated, but it was nice to see her deliver a ratified 3axel this season). She also skated her heart out and made me cry, something which no other skater has done the past four years.
Speaking of Mao, I figure now would be a good time to bring up Yulia Lipnitskaia. I've been a fan of her's all season, but the PCS score between her and Asada is ludicrous, even more confounding than Sotnikova and Kim's. Additionally, despite her technical content, Gracie Gold's skating does still read as very Junior, and as proud as I am of her for landing in 4th, her ungracious treatment to Sotnikova (walking past her and ignoring her) when she found out she won OGM does belie some ego/entitlement issues she'll need to get over if she ever wants to win an Olympic medal.
I do think the podium order was absolutely fine, even though Sotnikova's margin of victory should've been less gaping. Despite her two footing the end of her 3-2-2 combination, she did manage to successfully rotate each jump in that sequence; however, I do question why she received less negative GOE than Yuna Kim on her 3lutz, which she landed forward on. Other than that, though, her cleanly executed jumps (for lack of a better term) "just rang a bell" more than Yuna's did, and her spins were in another class (Yuna's layback has always been an issue for me).
Additionally, be it due to the home crowd's support of Adelina's energy, she sold that program, and unlike Yuna Kim, she planned most of her technical content for the bonus section (unlike Kim, who front loaded her program). I'm a big Yuna Kim fan, but watching the live and tape delayed feeds, I couldn't help but thinking she felt tentative technically and detached from her music.
I was so pleased to see Carolina Kostner deliver two clean performances and win that ever elusive Olympic medal. The performance that rung with me most was Mao Asada's, and it was so moving to see her come back after that disastrous short program and deliver a perfect free skate (even though I think the loop in her 3F-3Lo looked finely rotated, but it was nice to see her deliver a ratified 3axel this season). She also skated her heart out and made me cry, something which no other skater has done the past four years.
Speaking of Mao, I figure now would be a good time to bring up Yulia Lipnitskaia. I've been a fan of her's all season, but the PCS score between her and Asada is ludicrous, even more confounding than Sotnikova and Kim's. Additionally, despite her technical content, Gracie Gold's skating does still read as very Junior, and as proud as I am of her for landing in 4th, her ungracious treatment to Sotnikova (walking past her and ignoring her) when she found out she won OGM does belie some ego/entitlement issues she'll need to get over if she ever wants to win an Olympic medal.
I noticed the kind of death stare, but I wonder how much is her personality and how much is what she's being told by Frank, other members of the US team, etc. While she tried to be very PC during her late night interview with Costas, she said something along the lines of, "best you can expect skating in a country like Russia." I wonder how much OMG Russia sucks, judging conspiracy, etc propaganda she's been exposed to. Plus, it seems that sort of diva behavior is expected and encouraged in figure skating, which made Carolina's enthusiastically embracing Adelina all the more refreshing. Of course, the death stare may have had nothing to do with Adelina and she might have congratulated her off camera for all we know. There's also the factor that a lot of the younger skaters idolize Yuna.
I watched the women's ski half pipe earlier and it was so nice to see the three ladies from different countries hugging and seeming genuinely happy for each other. It's too bad we seldom have that sort of thing in FS.
So you're saying half of a figure skating score should be based on the bias of spectators physically inside the skating rink? Why don't we just have fans call in and vote for their favorite skater like its American Idol?
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Graph of PCS http://s2.postimg.org/dguzr8e89/Screen_Shot_2014_02_21_at_10_11_00_PM.png
Wurk @ Yuna
She's really a queen.
Wurk @ Yuna
She's really a queen.YuNa
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
3S+2T 5.50
3Lz 6.60
2A+2T+2Lo 7.04
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x
Total 61.84
Sotnikova
3T+3T 8.20
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x
3Lz+3T 10.10 (Wrong edge. should get -GOE -1~-2 but Judges gave +GOE.)
3F 5.30
3Lo 5.10
2A+3T 8.14 x
3F+2T+2Lo 9.24 x
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x
Total 63.26
the difference is only 1.42 point.
Their PCS is almost same in both SP and FP.
YuNa's step sequence got level 3 in SP and FP and Adelina got level 4 and 1.7 GOE.
This is fixed from the beginnig.YuNa was robbed of gold medal.
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
3S+2T 5.50
3Lz 6.60
2A+2T+2Lo 7.04
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x
Total 61.84
Sotnikova
3T+3T 8.20
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x
3Lz+3T 10.10 (Wrong edge. should get -GOE -1~-2 but Judges gave +GOE.)
3F 5.30
3Lo 5.10
2A+3T 8.14 x
3F+2T+2Lo 9.24 x
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x
Total 63.26
the difference is only 1.42 point.
Their PCS is almost same in both SP and FP.
YuNa's step sequence got level 3 in SP and FP and Adelina got level 4 and 1.7 GOE.
This is fixed from the beginnig.YuNa was robbed of gold medal.
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Could someone please explain these things?
After the event has ended, I re-watched Kim and Sotnikova's performances and the protocols, and the judging on some of the elements and PCS left me somewhat baffled...
1. In SP, Sotnikova got higher GOEs than Kim did in both combination jump and 3F.
2. FS, Kim's 3F received +1.20, while Sotnikova's received +1.50.
3. FS, Sotnikova received +1.60 for 3Lo and +1.80 for 2A-3T. They gave +1.60 for Kim's 3Lz-3T.
4. FS, Sotnikova executed (what seemed to be)3Lz(e)-3T< and did not receive the edge deduction nor UR, ending up with +1.00.
5. They handed Sotnikova Stsq4 and Kim Stsq3. BOTH in SP and FS.
6. The difference between their PCS was 0.34 in SP, and 0.09 in LP.
* According to the protocols, the difference in their total technical BVs of SP and LP combined is 2.94(if we're talking about jumps alone, then it's 1.44). This made me wonder if what mattered the most was not the "difficulty of program" as some might argue, but the sudden boost in GOEs, levels, and PCS, which are largely controlled by the hands of technical panels and judges. Whether Kim and Sotnikova deserved what they got I am not so sure...
After the event has ended, I re-watched Kim and Sotnikova's performances and the protocols, and the judging on some of the elements and PCS left me somewhat baffled...
1. In SP, Sotnikova got higher GOEs than Kim did in both combination jump and 3F.
2. FS, Kim's 3F received +1.20, while Sotnikova's received +1.50.
3. FS, Sotnikova received +1.60 for 3Lo and +1.80 for 2A-3T. They gave +1.60 for Kim's 3Lz-3T.
4. FS, Sotnikova executed (what seemed to be)3Lz(e)-3T< and did not receive the edge deduction nor UR, ending up with +1.00.
5. They handed Sotnikova Stsq4 and Kim Stsq3. BOTH in SP and FS.
6. The difference between their PCS was 0.34 in SP, and 0.09 in LP.
* According to the protocols, the difference in their total technical BVs of SP and LP combined is 2.94(if we're talking about jumps alone, then it's 1.44). This made me wonder if what mattered the most was not the "difficulty of program" as some might argue, but the sudden boost in GOEs, levels, and PCS, which are largely controlled by the hands of technical panels and judges. Whether Kim and Sotnikova deserved what they got I am not so sure...
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Graph of PCS http://s2.postimg.org/dguzr8e89/Screen_Shot_2014_02_21_at_10_11_00_PM.png
Wurk @ Yuna
This graph is really just corruption personified.
SO TELLING.
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, Yuna was robbed and Carolina should be Silver too. I found this on youtube. Watch Sotnikova's one of landings. I am not sure how much she got GOE for this jump. But I am sure the judges didn't deduct any score for this as well as flutz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awJeNAmIS70&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awJeNAmIS70&feature=youtu.be
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The judges deducted 0.90 points for it, Though under rotation wasn't given,
There was criticism of a couple of judges giving her just -1's
Without this one deduction Sotnikova's program would've been the all time world record
That should garner criticism from all the skating community.
Remember how Yuna got silver? Just a couple of days ago? Remember how Adelina got gold? Apparently Adelina outskated Yuna. Congratulations. That should be enough proof for you guys that Yuna is no threat to Adelina, right? Then LEAVE HER ALONE.
For god's sake. What more do you guys want? You already got your gold. You guys already buried Yuna as much as you could do -- yelling out loud repeatedly that she wasn't good enough because she didn't have heart, didn't have enough technical scores, didn't connect with the audience, what have you, hoping some of them would stick and transform into truth. If that's the truth, then there's no need to try to convince us, right? What's the reason trying to tell the world again and again she isn't good enough like a broken record if the Olympic at Sochi didn't actually show that already? What exactly are you afraid of?
She did the best she could do under the hostile circumstances. I'd like see Adelina skate a flawless program when she's skating last in the Olympics with the audience who are cheering for you to fall. Right, she couldn't manage one while she's skating basking in complete adoration. Is that the problem for you? Is that why?
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Remember how Yuna got silver? Just a couple of days ago? Remember how Adelina got gold? Apparently Adelina outskated Yuna. Congratulations. That should be enough proof for you guys that Yuna is no threat to Adelina, right? Then LEAVE HER ALONE.
For god's sake. What more do you guys want? You already got your gold. You guys already buried Yuna as much as you could do -- yelling out loud repeatedly that she wasn't good enough because she didn't have heart, didn't have enough technical scores, didn't connect with the audience, what have you, hoping some of them would stick and transform into truth. If that's the truth, then there's no need to try to convince us, right? What's the reason trying to tell the world again and again she isn't good enough like a broken record if the Olympic at Sochi didn't actually show that already? What exactly are you afraid of?
She did the best she could do under the hostile circumstances. I'd like see Adelina skate a flawless program when she's skating last in the Olympics with the audience who are cheering for you to fall. Right, she couldn't manage one while she's skating basking in complete adoration. Is that the problem for you? Is that why?
Don't worry man, Kim's getting enough love, And that wont stop now
I saw the below comment on newspaper and I feel the same way.. ISU don't need to distinguish between lutz and flip if they don't judge it correctly like they did it for Adelina,Yulia.. and other skates. Who is going to jump correctly if judges don't care about it?
"People who say Tara , Johnny, Scott and Sandra said Adelina deserved the gold
because her program was more difficult... Of course they would say that
because they represent NBC that airs the olympics. They certainly
wouldn't want any negativity against what they are broadcasting because
they don't wanna lose the audience. Also, if they agree with the unfair
judging and the intentional selection of the pro-Russian judges like
other journalists and figure skating experts do, and if it happens to be
true, then figure skating would be kicked out from the olympics because
this is the second time that happened after the incident of 1998. Thus
they will lose their job as commentators. If they are true experts, then
why don't they mention about the under-rotated flutz that Yulia and
Adelina do? Oh ya... because other American skaters do it too! What a
shame... I'm just sad because we will never see honest and clean
textbook jumps and sophisticated artistry in women's figure skating ever
again because the girls will think they can get away with incorrect
jumps and assume as long as they try, they will not get penalized for
the wrong edge take off, pre/under-rotiation and two foot landing.
Adelina showed the perfect example of that, and there goes figure skating. Sigh...
And people who say
Adelina's program was more difficult so she deserved the gold. Do you
even know what a flutz is? It's the incorrect lutz jump that takes off
from the inside of the egde and Adelina is one of many other skaters who
does a flutz. Yulia is another one and so are some of the American
skaters. Once you go flutz, it's really difficult to correct it to lutz.
That's why many skaters did not include the triple lutz jump in their
programs even though they could earn the second highest score other than
doing the triple axel jump (that Asada claims that she achieved but not
really - it's always been pre/under-rotated and two foot landed) until
this olympics. Why? Because they realized the judges didn't give any
deductions on using the wrong edge at this olympics. Why? Because of the
two Russian skaters who do flutz. (There is hardly any skater who does
the textbook triple lutz jump and lands it perfectly other than Yuna
Kim.) That said, even though the quality of their technical elements
were not perfect, they still got extra points for just trying them and
received even higher scores than the one who executed the program
perfectly. If they were judged correctly, they should've gotten
deductions on their flutz. So trying to perform a difficult program
without falling shouldn't deserve high scores. Sure, Adelina tried 7
jumps, but were all of them textbook perfect with the right edge control
and fulll rotation that deserved the crazy high GOEs? Nope and no deductions! And you say that Yuna kim
is more artistic and less technical, but she's always been called the
textbook jumper who's been earning the highest GOEs and level 4 on her step
sequence and spins until this olympics where she delivered the same
quality of the technical elements. That's why there are so many upset
voices throughout the world about the unfair judging! We are not just crying, but we are crying for justice for the sake of figure skating!!!
"
"People who say Tara , Johnny, Scott and Sandra said Adelina deserved the gold
because her program was more difficult... Of course they would say that
because they represent NBC that airs the olympics. They certainly
wouldn't want any negativity against what they are broadcasting because
they don't wanna lose the audience. Also, if they agree with the unfair
judging and the intentional selection of the pro-Russian judges like
other journalists and figure skating experts do, and if it happens to be
true, then figure skating would be kicked out from the olympics because
this is the second time that happened after the incident of 1998. Thus
they will lose their job as commentators. If they are true experts, then
why don't they mention about the under-rotated flutz that Yulia and
Adelina do? Oh ya... because other American skaters do it too! What a
shame... I'm just sad because we will never see honest and clean
textbook jumps and sophisticated artistry in women's figure skating ever
again because the girls will think they can get away with incorrect
jumps and assume as long as they try, they will not get penalized for
the wrong edge take off, pre/under-rotiation and two foot landing.
Adelina showed the perfect example of that, and there goes figure skating. Sigh...
And people who say
Adelina's program was more difficult so she deserved the gold. Do you
even know what a flutz is? It's the incorrect lutz jump that takes off
from the inside of the egde and Adelina is one of many other skaters who
does a flutz. Yulia is another one and so are some of the American
skaters. Once you go flutz, it's really difficult to correct it to lutz.
That's why many skaters did not include the triple lutz jump in their
programs even though they could earn the second highest score other than
doing the triple axel jump (that Asada claims that she achieved but not
really - it's always been pre/under-rotated and two foot landed) until
this olympics. Why? Because they realized the judges didn't give any
deductions on using the wrong edge at this olympics. Why? Because of the
two Russian skaters who do flutz. (There is hardly any skater who does
the textbook triple lutz jump and lands it perfectly other than Yuna
Kim.) That said, even though the quality of their technical elements
were not perfect, they still got extra points for just trying them and
received even higher scores than the one who executed the program
perfectly. If they were judged correctly, they should've gotten
deductions on their flutz. So trying to perform a difficult program
without falling shouldn't deserve high scores. Sure, Adelina tried 7
jumps, but were all of them textbook perfect with the right edge control
and fulll rotation that deserved the crazy high GOEs? Nope and no deductions! And you say that Yuna kim
is more artistic and less technical, but she's always been called the
textbook jumper who's been earning the highest GOEs and level 4 on her step
sequence and spins until this olympics where she delivered the same
quality of the technical elements. That's why there are so many upset
voices throughout the world about the unfair judging! We are not just crying, but we are crying for justice for the sake of figure skating!!!
"
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I totally agree with you. I am sick of people saying Adelina is technically superior to Yuna.
Anyway, there were corruptions for sure because Adelina's score for the same program inflated by almost 50 points.
The right question to ask is not 'figure skating judges are corrupted or not', it is rather 'which judges are corrupted, The judges of the former competitions or of the olympic?'.
Anyway, there were corruptions for sure because Adelina's score for the same program inflated by almost 50 points.
The right question to ask is not 'figure skating judges are corrupted or not', it is rather 'which judges are corrupted, The judges of the former competitions or of the olympic?'.
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Congrats to the Yuna for medaling in EVERY SINGLE COMPETITION she has participated in.....Insane
I mean, o.............................o Wow. I don't know what to say.
No doubt she will continue to inspire young skaters generations to come.
I mean, o.............................o Wow. I don't know what to say.
No doubt she will continue to inspire young skaters generations to come.
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According to Sonia Bianchetti :
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Where did you get that Sonia Bianchetti snippet from, Eladola?
