2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

[Meoima]

Julia still scored higher than Mao with two huge mistakes in her lp. She would've broken 150 if she skated clean.

I think the skaters in the final group usually (not most of them) get higher scores than the previous groups. It's something like the judges had previously agreed with each other. Group 1, 2 and 3 do not have medalist contenders, and Mao did skate badly in SP, so the judges had bad impression on her.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Huh? You are aware Julia finished 5th right?

I'd argue that if Julia was clean she would've been the one standing on the top of that Podium with inflated marks, The mass audiences probably would've been fine with that too, After her fall though Sotnikova the forgotten Russian actually nailed her SP
and was made plan B, Much like with Ice dance when B\S failed to crack 70 in the SD, I\K were there to pick up the pieces, And get a score of 110 in the FD which they have done great many times before just to get 102-103,
S\K in pairs were probably kept like that as well, In case V\T would've had another meltdown a-la GPF or Europeans which would be unacceptable for a win, But that one turned out ok, I assume had a male skater competed he would've gotten a boost too,
Kovtun could've landed his 5 Quads thus claiming the victory, Because it's all about who had more or harder jumps right ? (Sotnikova-Kim reference daahh!!) And seeing Plushenko's marks at the team event he would've been fine for the podium.


I gotta hand it to the Russians, They were definitely prepared, Very calculated here and in the last few months too, Although not fullproof it does give good odds, Luckily they also for the most part competed very well, Which makes me happy cause i like the athletes, And the scores were easy to make sense of up until this very last event, Which apparently for some people, Also makes sense sadly.


If this is not the case then according to Lipnitskaya's scores with her falls, Underroration and bad landing, She would've been at around 74 for the SP, And around 144-149 for the FS, So yes, They would've been first and second, But i think Russia was probably aware that that wouldn't stick, Can only go with one, But then again, I thought they would never go as far as doing some of the things they DID do here at the Olympics

 

[Mishaminion]

Julia still scored higher than Mao with two huge mistakes in her lp. She would've broken 150 if she skated clean.

She didn't score higher in the long though did she? Mao did but not enough to overtake considering her SP.

No point speculating what Julia might have scored if clean, because she was not. What ifs mean nothing.

 

[bekalc]

Yep, judges did.

All right. I'm done. I really wanted to respond back because I don't really agree the way you seem to brush aside the funny judging -- and maybe you really see absolutely nothing wrong -- but this is getting tiresome. Thanks for offering your opinion in the reasonable manner anyhow and I'll stop it here.

I'm not saying maybe the callers can be wrong. But your not proving your case either. Can you prove that Adelina did not do level four steps in the short? What elements did she miss not to make it level four? IF she has a history of hitting level four steps, don't you think that maybe matters. 50/50, very likely she did.

The only thing on the level four steps that was an outlier. Was Kostner not getting level four steps in the short, like she has all season. It wouldn't have given Kostner gold, but I believe it may have given her silver.

If your willing to launch an investigation to give Kostner silver?

Since Yu-na herself admits there was a mistake that cost her a level on the steps, I don't see how we can argue level four for her there.

Once again the technical controls/members of the technical panel were announced way beforehand. IF anyone had an issue with the technical pane, they should have spoken up long before the competition started.

However complaining-after the fact is ridiculous. The Russian who was part of it was elected high ranking member of the ISU.

I'm not saying that this technical panel wasn't friendly to Sotnikova. But, you have to prove folks willing cheated, and the caller was French.

 

[vegarin]

If your willing to launch an investigation to give Kostner silver?
Since Yu-na herself admits there was a mistake that cost her a level on the steps, I don't see how we can argue level four for her there.

I'm totally willing to launch the investigation that would give her gold, even. I'd like to see if Mao would've at least won the free, if it was possible. It wasn't just Yuna.

Once again, that level talk by Yuna was after the short. You suggested to check the facts on things, so I double checked. If you do so as well and correct yourself, I would appreciate it, but it's up to you, obviously.

And I'm done, for real.

 

[bekalc]

I'm totally willing to launch the investigation that would give her gold, even. I'd like to see if Mao would've at least won the free, if it was possible. It wasn't just Yuna.

Once again, that level talk by Yuna was after the short. You suggested to check the facts on things, so I double checked. If you do so as well and correct yourself, I would appreciate it, but it's up to you, obviously.

And I'm done, for real.

I'm not talking about the free. Folks are saying base value needs to be taken into account in the short. And I'm saying the base value there was 1 point. Because Yu-na lost levels. She herself admits that she lost levels on her spins/footwork.

There was nothing particularly shocking Adelina getting all fours in the short, because she's done this MULITIPLE times throughout the year.

Your are making accusations against other people's integrity. Accusations need to come with some actual evidence. Not, they must be biased because I didn't like their rulings.

Yes the Ukranian judge was eek. But the Ukranian judge was not in the short panel. In fact there was no Russian judge in the short panel. And those judges also there put Yu-na and Adelina very close together in PCS.

Your total entitled to disagree. But the above does exist.

 

[Mishaminion]

I'd argue that if Julia was clean she would've been the one standing on the top of that Podium with inflated marks, The mass audiences probably would've been fine with that too, After her fall though Sotnikova the forgotten Russian actually nailed her SP
and was made plan B, Much like with Ice dance when B\S failed to crack 70 in the SD, I\K were there to pick up the pieces, And get a score of 110 in the FD which they have done great many times before just to get 102-103,
S\K in pairs were probably kept like that as well, In case V\T would've had another meltdown a-la GPF or Europeans which would be unacceptable for a win, But that one turned out ok, I assume had a male skater competed he would've gotten a boost too,
Kovtun could've landed his 5 Quads thus claiming the victory, Because it's all about who had more or harder jumps right ? (Sotnikova-Kim reference daahh!!) And seeing Plushenko's marks at the team event he would've been fine for the podium.


I gotta hand it to the Russians, They were definitely prepared, Very calculated here and in the last few months too, Although not fullproof it does give good odds, Luckily they also for the most part competed very well, Which makes me happy cause i like the athletes, And the scores were easy to make sense of up until this very last event, Which apparently for some people, Also makes sense sadly.


If this is not the case then according to Lipnitskaya's scores with her falls, Underroration and bad landing, She would've been at around 74 for the SP, And around 144-149 for the FS, So yes, They would've been first and second, But i think Russia was probably aware that that wouldn't stick, Can only go with one, But then again, I thought they would never go as far as doing some of the thing they DID do here at the Olympics

With all due respect, your rant has nothing to do with what I said.

I started posting in this thread because I do not like the way skaters are being bashed. It's not fair on any of them.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Adelina won over mao with a less difficult, less well executed program. What does that smell like to you?

Yuna won over Mao with less difficulty, what does that smell like to you?

 

[Angryyew]

Probably.

I wasn't really an Adelina fan before the Olympics but ironically I am a fan now. It has nothing to do with her winning either.

She was overshadowed by Julia and didn't let that phase her. She came out and delivered far more than anyone expected (well those who hadn't forgotten about her).

Same here. Going in I was pulling for Julia, Yuna & Ashley, didn't much like Carolina and Adelina & Polina were complete non-entities to me.

Coming out, I've soured on Ashley a bit, but become a fan (or bigger fan) of all the rest. It's a shame that in their quest to prove their wuzrobbing is the most legitimate, indisputable and tragic wuzrobbing in the history of wuzrobbing, some refuse to acknowledge that there could be anything good about Adelina or her winning performance.

 

[Mishaminion]

Yuna won over Mao with less difficulty, what does that smell like to you?

Using the same logic I guess it must smell like a... FIX!!!!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Using the same logic I guess it must smell like a... FIX!!!!

Obviously

 

[Mishaminion]

Same here. Going in I was pulling for Julia, Yuna & Ashley, didn't much like Carolina and Adelina & Polina were complete non-entities to me.

Coming out, I've soured on Ashley a bit, but become a fan (or bigger fan) of all the rest. It's a shame that in their quest to prove their wuzrobbing is the most legitimate, indisputable and tragic wuzrobbing in the history of wuzrobbing, some refuse to acknowledge that there could be anything good about Adelina or her winning performance.

Well said. Some people prefer to insult the girl and she certainly doesn't deserve that.

 

[Moment]

Every junior skater will be screaming WHY DON'T I HAVE A WORLD RECORD when they have a clean free skate. Poor the future of figure skating.

 

[Mishaminion]

Every junior skater will be screaming WHY DON'T I HAVE A WORLD RECORD when they have a clean free skate. Poor the future of figure skating.

Could you elaborate?

If your point is what I think it is... why wasn't Michelle Kwan whining in Nagano98 that she should have had a string of 6's for a clean program?

 

[Ophelia]

Yuna won over Mao with less difficulty, what does that smell like to you?

Lowballing on PCS.

 

[Mishaminion]

Lowballing on PCS.

Wasn't Mao's lp score her season's best?

 

[Ophelia]

She hasn't skated a clean LP this season (I think), and this was the first time she's performed the program with 8-triples. She's been performing 2 T-As in her LP up to Sochi. She deserved way higher than the score she got, and should've won the LP.

 

[Mista Ekko]

With all due respect, your rant has nothing to do with what I said.

I started posting in this thread because I do not like the way skaters are being bashed. It's not fair on any of them.

Just taking you back a sec:

Originally Posted by Spinerette
It wasn't always a joke, but this event surely made it a joke. Everyone scored lower than the two Russian girls. The real battle for the gold was between Julia and Adelina.

Originally Posted by tonyaharding
Huh? You are aware Julia finished 5th right?

Originally Posted by Eladola
I'd argue that if Julia was clean she would've been the one standing on the top of that Podium with inflated marks, The mass audiences probably would've been fine with that too, After her fall though Sotnikova the forgotten Russian actually nailed her SP
and was made plan B, Much like with Ice dance when B\S failed to crack 70 in the SD, I\K were there to pick up the pieces, And get a score of 110 in the FD which they have done great many times before just to get 102-103,
S\K in pairs were probably kept like that as well, In case V\T would've had another meltdown a-la GPF or Europeans which would be unacceptable for a win, But that one turned out ok, I assume had a male skater competed he would've gotten a boost too,
Kovtun could've landed his 5 Quads thus claiming the victory, Because it's all about who had more or harder jumps right ? (Sotnikova-Kim reference daahh!!) And seeing Plushenko's marks at the team event he would've been fine for the podium.


I gotta hand it to the Russians, They were definitely prepared, Very calculated here and in the last few months too, Although not fullproof it does give good odds, Luckily they also for the most part competed very well, Which makes me happy cause i like the athletes, And the scores were easy to make sense of up until this very last event, Which apparently for some people, Also makes sense sadly.


If this is not the case then according to Lipnitskaya's scores with her falls, Underroration and bad landing, She would've been at around 74 for the SP, And around 144-149 for the FS, So yes, They would've been first and second, But i think Russia was probably aware that that wouldn't stick, Can only go with one, But then again, I thought they would never go as far as doing some of the thing they DID do here at the Olympics

"Rant" ?

You're projecting,
I'm not trying to attack you, Someone said the battle would've been between the Russians, You dismissed them out of hand,
I stated my opinions on the subject, I think it does do with it.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Wasn't Mao's lp score her season's best?

It was her personal best

And should've been higher,

I bet if she does it at worlds she'll get a World record

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Lowballing on PCS.

Agreed. I just don't like the way people are throwing Mao into the Yuna vs. Adelina discussion.