If Patrick is having a nightmare about Sochi, I'm terribly sorry.
that guy is yuzuru's doctor and it has gone with him also in sochi
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I do agree about Javi, When i saw his Tech score down at 88 with 3 quads i was surprised,
But then i remembered he doubled one triple toe and singles a triple lutz, So he had only 5 triples,
And 3 landings on the negative GOE side, So i guess i was more at peace with it.
Also, Now that Javi is getting the PCS of a world champion, He can basically do a program with 2 quads and 6 triples,
Or 1 quad and 7-8 triples, And get about the same score he got here,
And possibly it will allow him to be less exhausted in the FS,
But i get the feeling is he's more comfortable doing 3 quads than going for two Lutzes or Flips
Great for Bychenko
shame about the axle though
Top 10 at Euros and Will be top 15 at Worlds i guess
Never stopped fighting
I think his best jump is def the Salcow and Toeloop. Maybe his intended combo was 4S+3T and also the 3Lz+3T, and repeat on 3S. Maybe he is not comfortable with second 3A or 3Lz, which will have give him more points.
Strangely, he jumps layout is similar to Brian Joubert, 3 quads, single 3A and two 3S with repeat on second one as a 1Lo-3S sequence. The lutz def give him issue, on previous competitions and I remember Joubert cut his leg with a blade, while doing a 3Lz.
I´m sorry for Chan not winning the Olympic gold medal, but can´t help feeling that he just has himself to blame for that. During a couple of years there has been lots and lots of opinions about that Chan should get himself a jump coach, a good technical coach, but he made his own choice. The judges have sent him wrong message by allowing him to win with falls. Maybe Chan himself started to believe that he is okay the way he is....? Well, in spite of that there should have been an intelligent person among his team, a person who had "forced" him to have also a jumping coach.
I´m sorry for Chan not winning the Olympic gold medal, but can´t help feeling that he just has himself to blame for that. During a couple of years there has been lots and lots of opinions about that Chan should get himself a jump coach, a good technical coach, but he made his own choice. The judges have sent him wrong message by allowing him to win with falls. Maybe Chan himself started to believe that he is okay the way he is....? Well, in spite of that there should have been an intelligent person among his team, a person who had "forced" him to have also a jumping coach.
I think that we disagree on our definition of complete... I think a complete skater should be able to be at the top of BOTH technical and interpretative elements...
I am a fan who disagrees with this explanation about Yuzuru's stamina.
Last year, after Yuzu moved to Canada and his new team increased his on ice training and introduced off ice trainig consistently , he collapsed on the ice at Finland Throphy at the very beginning of the season , remained in a miserable physical condition and heavily underweight like a zombie throughout the season and collapsed on the ice at London Worlds, after a terrible scream that many fans didn’t forget. In that period rumors about his retirement in 2014 started on this forum.
All the other medal contenders performed worse than Hanyu at the Olympics, so Hanyu deserved that gold. Chan has fallen, performed worse than others in past Worlds, and still got the gold. Not an apples to apples comparison.
We all know PChan is the all-rounded skater and he is more of a complete skater than Hanyu. No one denies the fact that PChan should have been the gold medalist at Sochi if he hadn't made that many mistakes. In term of maturity and quality overall, PChan should be the one. The problem is he didn't perform as well as he was supposed to. I think all these men didn't even understand what happened that day.The bottom line on Patrick Chan is that the judges did favor and over-reward him when he faltered because they were in love with his SS and because he seemed to so effortlessly master the quad. However, after all the fallout from 2012 and 2013 Worlds, a little bit of Patrick's favor with the judges began to chip away. Still, if Patrick had been able to skate the way he skated in Paris during the GP last fall, Chan would be Olympic champ. All the cards were in Patrick's hands and he simply made one too many mistakes that were not gonna be forgiven at the Olympics. Hanyu had already beaten Chan at GPF, so despite his youth, Hanyu was the fall-back winner (with the fewest mistakes of the favored top guys) approved by everyone due to his enormous potential as a complete skater with quads and artistry, even though Hanyu really isn't fully there yet artistically.
We all know PChan is the all-rounded skater and he is more of a complete skater than Hanyu. No one denies the fact that PChan should have been the gold medalist at Sochi if he hadn't made that many mistakes. In term of maturity and quality overall, PChan should be the one. The problem is he didn't perform as well as he was supposed to. I think all these men didn't even understand what happened that day.
I agree about Jeremy and semi-agree about Denis/Machida(their interpretation seems more forced,like they rehearsed it too much,and they're just doing what they learned and not what they feel,and well their skating leaves me cold) but people need to stop acting like Jason is the best thing since sliced bread.Yes he has artistry/musicality but tehnically he's far behind the top guys.The media needs to stop saying that he mastered the axel,he obliously didn't since he underrotates it most of the time,and that is not a good sign considering it took him so long to do it.Skaters like Jason, Jeremy, Denis Ten are above average technically and have superb artistic skills.
THESE is where we disagree... sorry I don't want to sound rude but someone that tells me that jason is above average technically makes me laugh... he has plenty of difficult transitions and incredible spins, but his ump are average and is 3a is still quite shaky... Abbot on the sheet has all the technical goods, but I've never seen him lay it down... even hanyus 4sal is more consistent than some of his triple... Denis while I agree that when he's on he has good jumps had shown to be able to get it togheter more or less oncee per season... thats doesn't bode well for him being an above average technician ( and I must say that I find him incredibly boring so I don't notice much of his artistry)Skaters like Jason, Jeremy, Denis Ten are above average technically and have superb artistic skills. Some of the differences obviously enter into the equation in terms of how healthy a skater is (Denis' problems), how strong a skater is competitively (Jeremy's problems); and having to have the must have quad (Jason is working on putting the quad in his very competitive arsenal). Not having the quad or not yet mastering it consistently does not mean a skater doesn't have above-average technical skills. Many skaters who are above average technically may have a weak jump (e.g. Patrick Chan and 3-axel, and Yuzu's recent problems with one of his jumps). Despite Yuzu and Javi having consistent quads, they DO NOT perform them consistently at every competition. So, relative consistency becomes an overall factor (but seemingly more of a factor for skaters who haven't been landing them for as long or as much as those who do). In addition, politics and rep with the judges clearly make the difference in this sport all things being equal. The quad revolution and the over-inflation on PCS for skaters who land quads has changed men's figure skating, and not for the better.
I agree about Jeremy and semi-agree about Denis/Machida(their interpretation seems more forced,like they rehearsed it too much,and they're just doing what they learned and not what they feel,and well their skating leaves me cold) but people need to stop acting like Jason is the best thing since sliced bread.Yes he has artistry/musicality but tehnically he's far behind the top guys.The media needs to stop saying that he mastered the axel,he obliously didn't since he underrotates it most of the time,and that is not a good sign considering it took him so long to do it.
Sure maybe he can add a quad in the future but to say that he he is above average technically in his state now is false
Junior Worlds 2013
SP: 3A +0.86
FS: 3A-2T +0.14; 3A +1.00
Nebelhorn Trophy
SP: 3A + 0.86
FS: 3A+3T +0.57; 3A<< -1.50
Skate America
SP: 3A +1.14
FS: 3A<< -1.50 (fall); 3A-1T -2.14
Trophee Eric Bompard
SP: 3A +1.14
FS: 3A-2T -0.14; 1A
U.S. Nationals
SP: 3A +0.29
FS: 3A-3T +1.43; 3A< -1.00
Olympics (Team Event)
FS: 3A-3T +0.71; 3A< -0.86
Olympics (Individual Event)
SP: 3A +0.86
FS: 3A-3T< -2.71; 3A< -3.00
Since Jr. Worlds last year he has made 3 triple axel attempts at each competition. Since Junior Worlds, Jason has been 6/6 in getting the 3A with +GOE in the short program.
The problem with his 3A has been with the free skate, and more specifically the second 3A in the program. He is 6/7 with the opening 3A combo (and 4/7 for getting +GOE) but he is only 2/7 for the second 3A attempt (and just 1/7 for positive GOE).
Since Junior Worlds: Jason got the jump ratified (no UR, no pop) 14 out of 20 attempts (70 percent). He only popped the jump once out of 20 (5 percent) and only fell once (1 percent).
He does tend to two-foot the jump when he messes up, as a result his +GOE 3A rate is much lower he got +GOE 10 out of 20 attempts (50 percent).
The biggest hurdle with his 3A is specifically the second 3A in his program. When you take out the second 3A attempt in the FS out of the statistics, his ratification rate is 92 percent and his +GOE rate is 76 percent.
He also messed up that second attempt (turnout) when I watched him practice at Nationals, which tells me it's a mental thing. What also convinces me that it's a mental thing is that there when I watch him practice the jump , I'd say he was about 95 percent (which matches reports from other practices).
Your ability of putting together so many falsehoods in one post always manages to surprise me. I'd almost forgotten why I'd put you on ignore
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Your post are always useful, thank you very much! =) Iwas the one who talked about Hanyu's salchow, but I was using it in a hyperbole to illustrate jeremy's (in)consistence, not jason's... I knw pretty well that jason has turned in good technical scores, but I would say that most of that are from his spin proportionally more than his jumps and there's where it lays his strenght