Shawn won a silver medal at Skate America 2009-10 (and 6 JGP medals, 2 of which were golds).
Shawn's lp at SA 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdYqp7rmyn0
Shawn's lp at SA 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdYqp7rmyn0
State of the U.S. Men's Figure Skating for 2014-15
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I have no problem with Jason winning, but I think it is unlikely. Bronze, at best, imo, and maybe just pewter. IMO this is going to be a challenging and, perhaps, difficult year for Jason.
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Two of the reasons why I like COP is that it has forced skaters to become more well-rounded. If jumps were all that mattered, why bother with music and choreography? Just have a jump off.
Because COP is a points game, why should anyone be looked down on because they worked the situation to their own advantage? Ask Evan and Adelina about that. I think it has made for more interesting competitions.
Sure, COP, like all judging systems, has its problems. But Jason doesn't embody those problems--he embodies what is good about it.
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This is the best thing you could have said. True, true, true !
I would rather see a jump-off, than a dance-off. I would rather see a dance off in ice dance.
I do not agree. But I also do not like this {supposed} trend in men's skating starting from Lysacek, and hope it will not last long before all the top skaters (at least the podium ones) are all jumping with top technical content.
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? That "trend" ended with Lysacek. The period when it was possible to win a men's championship with no quad lasted three years, from Buttle in 2008 to Lysacek in 2010. After 2010 the ISU tweaked the rules a little and now you have your wish -- all the top medal contenders present quads, quad combos, and triple Axels galore.
? That "trend" ended with Lysacek. The period when it was possible to win a men's championship with no quad lasted three years, from Buttle in 2008 to Lysacek in 2010. After 2010 the ISU tweaked the rules a little and now you have your wish -- all the top medal contenders present quads, quad combos, and triple Axels galore.
Yes but with the emergence of Brown, will there be more Browns following this quad? I like that all the men occupying podium places in the last few years had quads, but what message are the judges sending to future Browns? Will we be seeing more of them? Is this trend starting up again?
I want quads.
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I thought Shoma Uno might follow in his footsteps, very polished, good musicality, no quad and no 3A.
But lo and behold, this year he puts out some solid quads, and actually sort of landed his first 3A! So, Jason Brown continues to be unique in the mens field.
Oh thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtMAX9GOoQA
This guy is still in juniors, too. Very musical skater.
All the winners of nebelhorn post Vancouver did quads. Brown didn't attempt one. Brown does not need a quad at all. It only takes one skater with everything but quad to show how one jump or one of anything is not necessary. Are people going to say this was the worst nebelhorn in years or something now? Or can they agree that brown does not need a quad at all.
It's absolutely happening. First nebelhorn than it continues until worlds all the while people doubting its possible.
I am judging if everyone skates clean brown is at silver at least. What kind of massive disaster would occur for brown not to medal?
It's absolutely happening. First nebelhorn than it continues until worlds all the while people doubting its possible.
I am judging if everyone skates clean brown is at silver at least. What kind of massive disaster would occur for brown not to medal?
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You know, Plushenko got over Vancouver pretty quickly. Maybe you should take a leaf out of his book. (Oh, and he adores Jason.)
Jason couldn't beat the quad-armed Jeremy at Nationals. He could only just beat the double-quad armed Max - and that was practically perfect Jason vs shoddy anxious Max. And I wouldn't wager on Max having as rubbish a year this year as he did last year. Plus, Jason and Joshua have always been score-close anyway - if Joshua starts landing the quad this year, then his TES gets a boost.
Jason making the Worlds team is not even a certainty at this point.
The field at Nebelhorn was not what you'd call the world's toughest. I actually thought Menshov would play more of a role than he did. Brezina is not on the level of Menshov.
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I do not want a jump off or quads. But I also could care less about medals. I want a well polished, well-skated, joyful program.
I've said this before, (maybe in the other forum), but quick, name all the world gold medals that Toller Cranston won. C'mon, I'm waiting. Who were the four skaters who finished ahead of him at the 72 Olys? (don't google!) Still waiting ....
Now, from that era, with the possible exception of John Curry (who could not have existed without Toller, IMO), who is the skater that everyone remembers, who changed men's figure skating, and who had the most influence on the sport? Okey-dokey!
*If* Jason can expand on his Toller-like spark, no one will care if he medals. That is a big, huge, tall order. But there is precedent.
Just not with that Cotton Eyed Joe Exh.
I've said this before, (maybe in the other forum), but quick, name all the world gold medals that Toller Cranston won. C'mon, I'm waiting. Who were the four skaters who finished ahead of him at the 72 Olys? (don't google!) Still waiting ....
Now, from that era, with the possible exception of John Curry (who could not have existed without Toller, IMO), who is the skater that everyone remembers, who changed men's figure skating, and who had the most influence on the sport? Okey-dokey!
*If* Jason can expand on his Toller-like spark, no one will care if he medals. That is a big, huge, tall order. But there is precedent.
Just not with that Cotton Eyed Joe Exh.
What does plushenko or plushenko adoring jason have to do with anything?
Brown beat Abbott at olympics and us nationals fs.
Brown is just superior to max in every way apart from quad ability.
So you are in the Nebelhorn was garbage camp. Brezina was 4th in the world twice. Brezina and voronov euro medalists. Brown won by 5 points.
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I do not want a jump off or quads. But I also could care less about medals. I want a well polished, well-skated, joyful program.
I've said this before, (maybe in the other forum), but quick, name all the world gold medals that Toller Cranston won. C'mon, I'm waiting. Who were the four skaters who finished ahead of him at the 72 Olys? (don't google!) Still waiting ....
Now, from that era, with the possible exception of John Curry (who could not have existed without Toller, IMO), who is the skater that everyone remembers, who changed men's figure skating, and who had the most influence on the sport? Okey-dokey!
*If* Jason can expand on his Toller-like spark, no one will care if he medals. That is a big, huge, tall order. But there is precedent.
Just not with that Cotton Eyed Joe Exh.
LOL--I've said that too about Toller.
For you Yankees fans, they often run, in between innings during the games, a "live from the control room" video of people dancing to Cotton Eyed Joe. I just think it's amazing how they manage to replicate the same exact moves at the same exact time, with the same exact people, the same exact camera angles and lighting game after game after game after game, year after year after year... And all Live!
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Because you're still stupidly hung up over Vancouver. Seriously, get over it already. It was a whole quad ago and we've even got a new Oly Champ now - and one with a quad.
Fourth in the World twice does not guarantee a skater will remain at that level. Voronov was not there, Menshov was, and he did not skate as well as he might.
And really, you're getting worked up over 5 points? You do realise that was the margin Jeremy beat Jason by at Nationals? That Meryl and Charlie beat Tessa and Scott by at the Olympics? At JGP Salt Lake City 2012 Joshua beat the second-placed man by over THIRTY points. Now that's a drubbing to get worked up over.
Voronov was not where?
It's not stupid to point out Brown won nebelhorn when some people were saying he wouldn't even medal because of no quad.
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I have no quarrel with an individual skater who wants to do his own thing and try to win by putting emphasis on what he does best. I do not expect any sort of Jason Brown clone trend, but if other skaters come along with top performance skills, the more the merrier. I think one of two things is most likely to happen. Either Jason Brown will shore up his triple Axel and eventually master a quad -- or he won't, in which case he will remain a delightful anomaly.
When Patrick Chan first appeared on the scene he was utterly unique. Everyone said (or at least I did), so that's what they mean by "Skating Skills." He won some stuff without a quad. Then he got a quad and won some more stuff. But IMHO he was never the same afterward, and I liked the old Patrick (I mean, the young Patrick) better.
When Patrick Chan first appeared on the scene he was utterly unique. Everyone said (or at least I did), so that's what they mean by "Skating Skills."
He won some stuff without a quad. Then he got a quad and won some more stuff. But IMHO he was never the same afterward, and I liked the old Patrick (I mean, the young Patrick) better.Seriously, the only thing Jason Brown has won so far is a Senior B. Where his closest competition (Brezina) made multiple errors in short and free, including a fall in the latter. I do think Brezina was underscored in some areas (for instance, I enjoyed his SP more than Jason's), but that likely has to do with his history of inconsistency not sitting well with the judges, not to mention him being from a less powerful federation.
The situation in 2008-2010 was totally different, with three straight World champions without clean quads (Dai attempted 4F but it wasn't credited), plus an Olympic champion without one. But what kind of "dangerous message" is Jason sending out? "Don't learn the quad; you can win a Senior B when your competition falls over and come second at US Nationals in a weak era"?
The situation in 2008-2010 was totally different, with three straight World champions without clean quads (Dai attempted 4F but it wasn't credited), plus an Olympic champion without one. But what kind of "dangerous message" is Jason sending out? "Don't learn the quad; you can win a Senior B when your competition falls over and come second at US Nationals in a weak era"?
Seriously, the only thing Jason Brown has won so far is a Senior B. Where his closest competition (Brezina) made multiple errors in short and free, including a fall in the latter. I do think Brezina was underscored in some areas (for instance, I enjoyed his SP more than Jason's), but that likely has to do with his history of inconsistency not sitting well with the judges, not to mention him being from a less powerful federation.
The situation in 2008-2010 was totally different, with three straight World champions without clean quads (Dai attempted 4F but it wasn't credited), plus an Olympic champion without one. But what kind of "dangerous message" is Jason sending out? "Don't learn the quad; you can win a Senior B when your competition falls over and come second at US Nationals in a weak era"?
Brown also under rotated lots of jumps. I am not talking about 2008-2010 in terms of jump point values but the larger truth of how spin levels and goe and step levels and goe and high pcs can make one jump - one jump of any kind- meaningless. Everyone made errors and had major errors on jumps and the pcs /step level /spin level / high goe person won. So brown won nebelhorn and can win skam and others and gpf and worlds because he has every single thing except one thing.
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Seriously, the only thing Jason Brown has won so far is a Senior B. Where his closest competition (Brezina) made multiple errors in short and free, including a fall in the latter. I do think Brezina was underscored in some areas (for instance, I enjoyed his SP more than Jason's), but that likely has to do with his history of inconsistency not sitting well with the judges, not to mention him being from a less powerful federation.
The situation in 2008-2010 was totally different, with three straight World champions without clean quads (Dai attempted 4F but it wasn't credited), plus an Olympic champion without one. But what kind of "dangerous message" is Jason sending out? "Don't learn the quad; you can win a Senior B when your competition falls over and come second at US Nationals in a weak era"?
ITA. One skater does not make a trend.
BUT, if there are more skaters who feel like they can make it without a quad and have excellent skating skills, presentation, choreography, programs, spins and step-sequences, consistency and all the triples, bring it on! I'd love to see it. At this point, it's just Jason.
