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Mao comes to mind
Indeed.
Mao comes to mind
It doesn't matter what the GOEs or levels are. The whole point of this thread is that the judges and especially the technical panel are not grading what the skaters actually do, they are just making up bogus numbers to validate predetermined results.
I agree Yulia has nothing on 2013 WC Yuna. Sochi Yuna on the other hand....IMO the door was wide open for anyone in the top to give her a run. I was surprised by Yuna's FS. I honestly expected more.
Nothing scandalous about that.
Not everyone can afford summer holidays.I still don't know why all of you are still clamoring about a predetermined conspiracy. It just so happened that the judging panel during FS was mostly eastern european / former soviet bloc - of course they were going to gun for Adelina. That doesn't mean Putin paid them. (Though it is worth noting that Lipnitskaia and Sotnikova did receive high scores with different judges on different days).
And I am just going to refer to them all as "the conspirators" from now on. It's naive to think this all comes down to one or two judges, despite how nice and tidy that argument looks. The rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than that.
I agree Yulia has nothing on 2013 WC Yuna. Sochi Yuna on the other hand....IMO the door was wide open for anyone in the top to give her a run. I was surprised by Yuna's FS. I honestly expected more.
I have no idea what this means but I'll take your word for it. I'm sure our interpretations on Schindler's vary too hwell:It was the arrangement, choreography and the environment that made it seem lacking. But it was not.
I have no idea what this means but I'll take your word for it. I'm sure our interpretations on Schindler's vary too hwell:
I see no point in comparing the two with you. I think your mind is already made up and we clearly disagree on the quality of Adios. I loved SITC btw!!
Yulia faced off against Yuna once and skated the worst performance of her career and some of it too was due to the crazy environment. They all faced olympic pressure and crowd expectations and their own distractions. After all is said and done this is a sport and that stuff can and will happen. Yulia will have to live with it the rest of her life. Hopefully she can grow from it. Meanwhile Yuna has retired . What's the point and comparing these two now? Before Sochi it would have been fun I'll admit.
If you go a few pages back you'll see the only reason I started posting on this thread again was to discuss the scoring of StSeq's and my desire to remove levels and focus on GOE. I'm much more interested in that than comparing a retired skater who I'll never see again vs a young up and comer who seems to be making her way.
While I can respect your views I simply ask for the same in return
I think this is giving to much credit to the bad guys in the ISU hierarchy. They may wish that they can pull enough strings always to get their way, but sometimes the best laid plans go awry. For one thing, the skaters must do their part. At Sochi, the folks campaigning for Julia Lipnitskya were riding high, but they were out of luck when Julia fell in the short program. I am sure that the ISU brass would have preferred for Mao Asada to win a medal, considering that Japan is their biggest cash cow these days, but it didn't work out that way.
To me, the villain is the mindset and corporate culture that invests all power in the national federation. To each event the federation sends its team, comprising athletes, judges, officials, and political strategists, whose job it is to cooperate in the goal of bringing home as many medals as possible. This is the "competition," and what happens on the ice is just one part of it.
It was so telling to me when Ron Pfenning, as a candidate for USFSA President, said recently, vote for me because the other guy is an international al judge. If you kick him upstairs to the presidency, we will lose a valuable asset who, as a judge, can get more medals for US skaters. :/
Mathman, how then do you explain the lowballing of Mao's Free Skate at Sochi? They scored Adelina like it was business as usual for an elite skater and then scored Mao as if she were some lower tiered skater; "keep it up girl, one day you'll get there".
Did they decide she had no chance after her disastrous Short, so, "let's not waste any marks on her"? :scratch:
Did they decide she had no chance after her disastrous Short, so, "let's not waste any marks on her"? :scratch:
Mathman, how then do you explain the lowballing of Mao's Free Skate at Sochi?