Exactly. 2002 programs were so basic compared to what the guys are doing now.
Yea, good point. It's really hard to compare. Now it's a new generation that Chan and Hanyu are pushing forward and setting new trend
Exactly. 2002 programs were so basic compared to what the guys are doing now.
Yea, good point. It's really hard to compare. Now it's a new generation that Chan and Hanyu are pushing forward and setting new trend
Did somebody say HOLLYWOOD?! Oh em gee...please let Gracie Gold be in the movie! Her gorgeous blondeness rivals the most perfect Hollywood stars.
She can play Yana.
Why are you mocking the one who is not here (yet)? and yes, Gracie could play Yana, why not? who is going to be Plushenko? Himself?
Yagudin, please come back to the field, we need you here.
Except Machida is not young anymore. At this stage, if he's only an early-stage Takahashi, then it's not good enough. As for Kovtun and Yan, they don't have intricate choreography yet. It's not even evident that they have technical difficulty. Kovtun may have some quad technique, but he doesn't even have a 3Lo and most of his jumps look very awkward. Yan definitely doesn't have technical difficulty yet as he can't skate an easy program cleanly.Agreed! I also really like Machida. He's kind of like an early stages Takahashi in terms of his movements and he's got technical chops too! and I think Maxim Kovtun with some more consistency can be excellent. Yan as well. The men's field is looking a lot more promising now that more and more guys are getting the hang of it, being able to balance technical difficulty and intricate choreography.
Great idea, how about Kovtun as Yagudin? And Mishin and Tara should play themselves.Gachinski.
Great idea, how about Kovtun as Yagudin? And Mishin and Tara should play themselves.
Exactly. 2002 programs were so basic compared to what the guys are doing now.
In term of performance and choreography undoubtedly Lambiel's Poeta.
Not in terms of performance and interpretation. The men were giving more to the audience and the music rather than focusing on transitions. And the transitions they did do back then were more exciting than what is done today, such as Yagudin's full bending slide directly into a spin or Goebel's hydroblade into a 3Loop at the very end of the program or the many different things that Matt Savoie and Ilia Klimkin were doing.
Yagudin is definitely the gold standard of modern skating. He had it all, amazing choreography from Tarasova (before her senile days), incredible footwork, skated with amazing power and had great basics, but also with overwhelming passion and heart. Was great at interpreting different types of music and brought them to life, his programs contained alot of choreography for the time (less than today but that is due to the rules), variety of field moves, and he skated with command, attack, maturity, grace, strong lines, and an overall presence. Good spins (not great by any means, but good) and humungous jumps which were pretty consistent. While he didnt exactly push the envelope technically, still had the difficult quads, quad combinations, triple axels that were needed to be on the leading edge of difficulty, and which some champions many years later still didnt have (eg- Lysacek, Buttle, Lambiel).
If I had to pick the combination of all though. Mroz's quad lutz, Goebel's quad salchows and quad salchow combinations, Plushenko's quad toes and quad toe combinations (in his prime), Yagudin's or Eldredge's triple axel, Weiss's triple lutz, the remaining triple jumps of Hanyu on a good day, other than the flip where I would probably pick Plushenko again, the spins of Eldredge or Lambiel, the interpretation and choreography of Lambiel, the performance level of Takahashi or Fernandez, the transitions of Savoie or Buttle, the skating skills of Boitano, the line and positions of Curry or Buttle, the overall elegance of Curry, the grace of Lambiel or Buttle, the style of Curry or Cousins, the maturity and sophistication of Curry or Courins, the footwork of Browning or Hamilton, the spirals and laybacks of Petrenko, and the mental toughness of Stojko or Boitano. That is about the perfect skater.
Yagudin is definitely the gold standard of modern skating. He had it all, amazing choreography from Tarasova (before her senile days), incredible footwork, skated with amazing power and had great basics, but also with overwhelming passion and heart. Was great at interpreting different types of music and brought them to life, his programs contained alot of choreography for the time (less than today but that is due to the rules), variety of field moves, and he skated with command, attack, maturity, grace, strong lines, and an overall presence. Good spins (not great by any means, but good) and humungous jumps which were pretty consistent. While he didnt exactly push the envelope technically, still had the difficult quads, quad combinations, triple axels that were needed to be on the leading edge of difficulty, and which some champions many years later still didnt have (eg- Lysacek, Buttle, Lambiel).
If I had to pick the combination of all though. Mroz's quad lutz, Goebel's quad salchows and quad salchow combinations, Plushenko's quad toes and quad toe combinations (in his prime), Yagudin's or Eldredge's triple axel, Weiss's triple lutz, the remaining triple jumps of Hanyu on a good day, other than the flip where I would probably pick Plushenko again, the spins of Eldredge or Lambiel, the interpretation and choreography of Lambiel, the performance level of Takahashi or Fernandez, the transitions of Savoie or Buttle, the skating skills of Boitano, the line and positions of Curry or Buttle, the overall elegance of Curry, the grace of Lambiel or Buttle, the style of Curry or Cousins, the maturity and sophistication of Curry or Courins, the footwork of Browning or Hamilton, the spirals and laybacks of Petrenko, and the mental toughness of Stojko or Boitano. That is about the perfect skater.
Many skaters aren't being experimental like a Savoie or Klimkin, because originality isn't in their nature.
There's nothing in CoP that's preventing skaters from putting highlights in their programs. Skaters like Chan still do spread eagles and Hanyu does Ina Bauers
Also, the spins that the men in 2002 had to do were novice spins in comparison. Some lasted 4 or 5 rotations and they called it a day, and the positions for the men... so many of them did just a one rotation camel spin as a formality before going into the sit in combination spins, and the variety of positions, well... there wasn't much variety of positions. Most spins from 2002 would probably get a level 2 tops, and a level 1 or B usually
As for difficult steps/turns? Hah, you'd be lucky to see a counter, rocker, bracket, loop, choctaw, and twizzle all in the same competition, let alone from the same program.
A skater isn't prevented from interpreting music if they are good at it - Kim's Send in the Clowns, or Takahashi's Blues for Klook are great examples of how you can weave interpretation in.