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Tuktamysheva out of Russian Nats
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The question Gorshkov answered was, “who will replace (sub for) Liza at Russian Nationals?” And Gorshkov answered, “what does that mean, ‘replace her’? There are no replacements (substitutions) at Russian Nationals.”
Honestly, all of his answers came off as very cagey and deliberately ambiguous.
Honestly, all of his answers came off as very cagey and deliberately ambiguous.
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Ugh, could Gorshkov be any more evasive about it? Maybe it got lost in translation, but I'm not getting that there will be no substitute skater added necessarily. The way he answered the question wasn't really an answer. He probably just doesn't know.
He answered pretty clearly that there will be no substitution at the Nationals; and also that no decisions have been made about Europeans (i.e., not ruling out she'd get the same treatment as Medvedeva).
It will all depend on who they think has the best chance of medaling. If no other skater emerges as a stronger contender at Nationals, and her health scare is resolved, she'll go to Europeans.
At Nationals may be substitutes. At Nats-2013 (at December 2012) Gosviani was 3rd substitute and competed because three girls WD.
Gorshkov does not make solutions. Solutions are made by Coaches Council and approved by President of Federation (Gorshkov).
Anyway before Worlds will be Final of Russian Cup 18-22 Feb 2019, and final solution for Worlds Team is made after this competition. There were several cases when winner of Final of Russian Cup substituted at Worlds skater who competed at Euro (if competed at Euro not so good).
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RusFed really doesn‘t make sense sometimes. No substitutes? Why on earth are there even alternates then? I guess this person probably didn‘t know so just decided to answer without actually answering. I certainly do hope that they come to their senses and add someone else in because it would be nonsense for a country like Russia with such an insane depth to leave out talented skaters who deserve a chance to prove themselves.
Nevertheless, I‘m still sad about Liza...
Wishing her a speedy recovery and all the best. 
Nevertheless, I‘m still sad about Liza...
Wishing her a speedy recovery and all the best. 
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Sorry. Misspoke. After Nationals, the team for Euros will be announced and the Federation and coaches’ council will decide whether she gets a bye or not.
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Not necessarily. If she goes to the Cup Final in mid-February and performs well there, she can be put onto the Worlds team
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Even if she's 80%, Liza should have a solid result at Euros. There wasn't a single non-Russian European medalist on the GP this season.
My skater had pneumonia a couple of years back and recovery took a long time. Part of the issue is that rinks have cold dry air which is really hard on the lungs (that is why many elite skaters have exercise induced asthma). It was about 4 weeks until my skater was well enough just to return to her same practice routine. It was much longer until her full stamina returned. I just think there is not enough time between now and Europeans for Liza to be competition ready.
I am glad to hear that even if she misses Europeans, she still has a chance to make the Worlds Team. She is one tough cookie and deserves to go.
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Hopefully any extended time off doesn't cause her to lose the 3A again. Without that jump, Liza would be a middle-of-the-pack skater with her PCS and non-jump GOE scores.
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Liza's spots would be absolutely deserved. She's #1 in the season's ranking, has five of the best scores and medalled at every competition she participated in this season.
Just like Zhenya did last season, Liza earned a bye.
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I think if Liza recovers well and quick enough they will definitely give her the coaches council spot for (maybe Euros depending on her recovery) Worlds and the two other spots will go to the top 2 at RusNats. She earned for RusFed so many medals this season
It's all true about pneumonia being a serious illness that sometimes takes forever to recover from (and proximity to cold ice would be a big no-no).
However, it's not even a fact that she has pneumonia. I wouldn't trust that diagnosis, and I wouldn't read too much into a two-week hospital stay. It's Russia - where dire (but completely false) misdiagnoses ran rampant, and where lengthy hospital stays for no good reason whatsoever are pretty common.
It could be very serious - or it could turn out nothing. We'll see. Lets hope for the best.
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I think it is a fact since the info what she has apparently came from mishin himself
Just because Russian doctors say something, doesn't make it so.
I'm saying, her pneumonia is not a fact, because I wouldn't trust Russian doctors. They LOVE to diagnose "pneumonia", (and even "tuberculosis", LOL; never mind "you need surgery!", "you need hospital stay!"
), in otherwise healthy people. Happens all the time.
