Yes, but it needs to be the right type of classical music. For instance, Julia's SP (Sabre Dance) works well for her, her FS (The Nutcracker) does not. Despite what figure skating coaches/choreographers seem to think, classical music is not just one single CD with Carmen/Rachmaninoff's piano concertos/Tchaikovsky's ballets on it.
2013 Junior Worlds Ladies FS
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Yes, but it needs to be the right type of classical music. For instance, Julia's SP (Sabre Dance) works well for her, her FS (The Nutcracker) does not. Despite what figure skating coaches/choreographers seem to think, classical music is not just one single CD with Carmen/Rachmaninoff's piano concertos/Tchaikovsky's ballets on it.
Oh, I forgot. What is the base value of Cesario normally?
If the downgrades weren't there, with positive GOE (since jumps were high and well landed) and spins being Lv4, she could have won the bronze.
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LADIES FREE SKATE - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)
1. Elena RADIONOVA (RUS) - 169.71 Free Skate
2. Julia LIPNITSKAIA (RUS) - 165.67 Free Skate
3. Anna POGORILAYA (RUS) - 160.32 Free Skate
4. Samantha CESARIO (USA) - 154.55 Free Skate
5. Courtney HICKS (USA) - 152.92 Free Skate
6. Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN) - 149.39 Free Skate
7. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) - 147.42 Free Skate
8. Alaine CHARTRAND (CAN) - 144.38 Free Skate
9. Rika HONGO (JPN) - 142.62 Free Skate
10. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 139.10 Free Skate
11. Yasmin SIRAJ (USA) - 139.08
12. So Youn PARK (KOR) - 135.42
13. Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA) - 131.25
14. Jenni SAARINEN (FIN) - 129.81
15. Ziquan ZHAO (CHN) - 126.11
16. Brooklee HAN (AUS) - 125.62
1. Elena RADIONOVA (RUS) - 169.71 Free Skate
2. Julia LIPNITSKAIA (RUS) - 165.67 Free Skate
3. Anna POGORILAYA (RUS) - 160.32 Free Skate
4. Samantha CESARIO (USA) - 154.55 Free Skate
5. Courtney HICKS (USA) - 152.92 Free Skate
6. Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN) - 149.39 Free Skate
7. Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN) - 147.42 Free Skate
8. Alaine CHARTRAND (CAN) - 144.38 Free Skate
9. Rika HONGO (JPN) - 142.62 Free Skate
10. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 139.10 Free Skate
11. Yasmin SIRAJ (USA) - 139.08
12. So Youn PARK (KOR) - 135.42
13. Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA) - 131.25
14. Jenni SAARINEN (FIN) - 129.81
15. Ziquan ZHAO (CHN) - 126.11
16. Brooklee HAN (AUS) - 125.62
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This is the worst possible result for Samantha!!!
Off the podium and now with a chronic case of ur's. I don't think I have ever seen her get these many ur's.It's not sad. It's tragic!!!!
The odd thing is she is a nice strong jumper....she must just be checking out too early. Also, I can't understand why she does not do a triple triple, she has plenty of flow out of her jumps to do one. She does need to work on stamina though, she was pretty slow at the end.
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In the last group of skaters, Miyahara's FS has the most transitions and details to match the nuance in the music. There is hardly any crossover or stroking in the entire program, and the speed was nearly all generated from edge and knee work. Also it is a perfect example of balanced bi-directional skating with nearly the same amount of clockwise and counterclockwise skating, something that none of the other last group girls did, and apparently none of the judges gave a toss about or even noticed.
Facial expression does not count as transitions.
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And yet, for all that effort she got 5.75 for TR. There was one judge who actually gave her 5.00.
Samantha brought it in both phases of the competition. Should have been 2nd due to her low TES.
Her PCS should be 5 points higher than the winner. If they allow her to compete here, they can't use her age to mark down her PCS. PCS isn't IQ, shouldn't be related to your age. Judges are a bunch of crazy dumb ***.
This is why it's such a turn off to watch these Russian kids. They are plucked from some random sad cold place in Siberia, slapped together with some dumb music and third tier choreography and a few terrible quality 3x3, and somehow that's the winning recipe. What a joke!
Give me young Mao and young Yuna. After these two and Caro retire, I declare lady figure skating dead.
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Her PCS should be 5 points higher than the winner. If they allow her to compete here, they can't use her age to mark down her PCS. PCS isn't IQ, shouldn't be related to your age. Judges are a bunch of crazy dumb ***.
This is why it's such a turn off to watch these Russian kids. They are plucked from some random sad cold place in Siberia, slapped together with some dumb music and third tier choreography and a few terrible quality 3x3, and somehow that's the winning recipe. What a joke!
Give me young Mao and young Yuna. After these two and Caro retire, I declare lady figure skating dead.
.If Samantha could tighten her body a bit more while she rotates this wouldn't be a problem. She has decent height and wonderful flow out of the jump already. I really love how she takes her time when she exits a jump. I really hate how some skaters do a wonderful job in the air only to clumsily exit the jump and off they go to the next big trick. It lessens the impact imo. hwell:
I really do agree with you on this. I find it disturbing that the judges didn't give her enough credit. I though Miyahara was wonderful and while I find her jumps a bit too small and borderline, the mechanics of her program were impressive.
hwell: I really do agree with you on this. I find it disturbing that the judges didn't give her enough credit. I though Miyahara was wonderful and while I find her jumps a bit too small and borderline, the mechanics of her program were impressive.
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Like I said above, the component side of judging is broken, which has become abundantly clear by now. No matter how idealistic and reasonable the program component concept is, if it cannot be consistent, correctly, and fairly applied, it is worse than nonexistent, because it creates glaring hypocrisy and breeds cynicism. The way judges and ISU are treating program components nowadays makes a mockery of the skaters, coaches, and choreographers who work very hard to uphold and strive for good skating --- which is not limited to good jumping.
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Possibly? Mao Asada and Mirai Nagasu also get decent to good height on jumps but also have major UR issues, and the two of them definitely rotate slowly.
I completely agree.
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I feel bad for Samantha but I sort of understand how the results wound up like this though I do agree she was underscored in PCS. As for Anna anyways, what really saved her was the fact that she rotated all her jumps. She wasn't overscored so much as others, like Samantha and Satoko, were underscored in PCS and then the TES suffered more than it should have, because while I agree that a lot of their jumps were short, in the case of Samantha at least, I think she should be getting +GOE on her underrotated triples. However, because that isn't allowed to happen, the results wind up the way they did - in other words, Anna's fully rotated jumps with visible shaky landings end up gaining more points than Samantha's nice but underrotated jumps. Anna did get deducted for her faulty landings and her PCS were fine, but the results do show how the system is flawed. The 70% for URs is a step in the right direction but they need to make it so that URed jumps can still get +GOE, if they did this skaters like Sam, Mirai, and Kanako would benefit and you wouldn't see skaters like Anna be able to take advantage of being able to rotate difficult jump combinations while getting away with sloppy execution, because the messy landings aren't costing her any more in terms of GOE than a skater who underrotates their triples.
Agree. Her carriage and body positions just aren't that good but then again she's probably still growing into her tall body. I just wish her coach would have her tone down the makeup...it makes her look a bit like a showgirl and doesn't give her a sophisticated, world-class look.
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This is interesting, and something the ISU should look into. A slight UR is one of the only errors penalized twice: you get the drop in BV as well as the standard -GOE, even if all other aspects of the jump are great. Two-foot landings, step-outs, and wild free legs are all more noticeable errors but are not as harshly penalized and I think this is a source of confusion, even for the uber-fans who post here because we often do not agree when jumps should be DGed when looking at the same slow-motion replays. It's even more confusing when skaters fall and get -2 GOE, whereas the same skater could UR a jump and get -3 GOE.
I'm going to assume that you're laughing with me and not at me (or at the silliness of my post), so I'll take the opportunity to elaborate on this a bit further
.What people usually call "classical" music is so varied in scope, theme and style that you could probably find a piece of music somewhere to fit any skater. Why so may coaches/choreographers insist on using the same music over and over again without any regard for the skater's personality/body lines/interpretation ability is beyond me. So many girls are expected to fit this image of the pretty princess skating to soft classical music, as if this is the only acceptable form of female artistry. I have nothing against ice princess types if this interpretation style fits their personality and their skating - but I wonder who in her team watched Rika Hongo skate and then said "Let's have her do Swan Lake, that's a terrific idea." Or why Julia Lipnitskaia, who even mentioned in an interview that she doesn't like ballet, is skating to ballet music, of all things. Wouldn't it be better if they were given music that they could actually enjoy skating to and that would match their personalities?
As a side note, a good example of lesser used classical music that is a wonderful fit for the skater is Kiira Korpi's "Girl with the flaxen hair" SP. Great job by all involved.
