2013 Worlds Ladies SP

[creme cup]

On another note, does anyone else think Yuna's layback has really improved? Looks faster to me.

It does look so. Actually most of her spins have improved since NRW.

 

[KKonas]

Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. She had difficult jumps, but the way she executed them wasn't spectacular.

And a lot of ladies, actually. Many juniors and almost all of the seniors from the US, Japan, and Russia.

Well, I've yet to see any lady Jr. or Sr. complete a triple loop/triple loop combo or a triple toe-half loop-triple Salchow. Certainly no US lady.

 

[Ziggy]

I agree she has excellent skating skills and choreo. But process this for a moment... the woman sitting in 2nd place had a fall on a triple toe-triple toe, and her other two elements were a triple loop and a double axel. One of the easiest jump layouts of the competition, with a fall, is sitting in SECOND.

Quality > quantity.

You know, too much of the upper body movement can be just awkward. And Carolina is slowly approaching that line. Her facial expressions were also just... weird, lets put it mildly.

That's a value judgement though. The fact you don't like it doesn't change the fact it meets the requirements and ticks all the right boxes.

 

[yuki]

It's just unbelievable. Not only was it two-footed, it was also very noticeably cheated (under 1/4). GG judges.

I'm kind of surprised that she didn't get a < for the 3A. And the positive GOE was just weird.

 

[happyskate6]

Call it how you see it, and I'll call it how I see it. I'm not saying that Canada doesn't have good skaters. I love Meagan and Eric and they were absolutely fabulous. I enjoy watching their grit and determination too, and MT/M are wonderful skaters. I'm not a fan of Patrick, but I respect his skating. I don't respect how the judges so often cater with humongous scores, even when he has made mistakes. Patrick deserves to be in first place, but the scores were quite wacky in the mens sp.

I love W/P, G/P, and M/I, and I respect V/M's talent. However, D/W and V/M are so close in talent and it stinks the fact that V/M has to come out on top in the big ones and Canadian fans constantly dis D/W with this snobby, nose-in-the-air attitude. D/W deserved to win Worlds last season, and D/W have performed better than V/M as a whole this season. But Worlds are in Canada, and I'll be surprised if D/W win gold no matter how great they skate. PJ Kwong has already called it, "a fine cheese will win over Kraft singles." I like Osmond too, but suddenly just because Canada has some talent in the ladies division, Osmond right out of juniors is a World medal contender ... NO! Kevin Reynolds can land quads now, but no attention is really being paid to his lack of well-rounded skills, just the fact he lands quads (with some discounted URs) means Reynolds is also a World medal contender.

Call it bitter if you like. There's a lot wrong with this sport.

Just to be clear: PJ Kwong does not speak for all Canadians. I love D/W. It's such a shame that they even have to compete against V/M, because their styles are so different. In my opinion, from what I've seen this year, I think D/W will win, and should win (although V/M short has really come a long way). However, it all depends on the skate that day, and hopefully the judges will see that.

As for Osmond, I have to disagree with you. She skated a clean, strong program, filled with personality. I didn't see any fear or tension. She more than deserves to be among the top of what was presented today. It has nothing to do with Canadian politicking - believe what you will. PJ may like her, and the media may hype her, but if she were in Japan, or Italy, or Russia, they'd likely do the same thing too. She's a young skater who has come into her own very quickly. Be gracious and admit that she deserves her placement.

As for Kevin Reynolds, I think he knows how to play the technical game. The judges are not really rewarding him much on his PCS, but he is working on that, admittedly. And yeah, Patrick skated beautifully, but was WAY overscored.

And Carolina - she is artistically so lovely every time, but I can't accept that score. 63-64 yes. 66 no.

Any country will favor their home skaters. Both the olympics and the worlds will be somewhere else next year. So, we'll see.

 

[Mirunna]

Ladies starting order for the LP: http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG004.HTM

the Queen ends the competition. Osmond is between Mao and Yuna, I hope this doesn't make her nervous. Good for Carolina to skate before Yuna and Mao.
It's hope it's gonna be amazing

 

[bigsisjiejie]

Carolina would NEVER get the kind of over-scores she gets if fellow Italian Cinquanta wasn't chief of the ISU. Been happening for years. There, I said it.

 

[gold12345]

2) Mao got -2 to 2 on her 3A. Is this usual?

Sadly, yes. It seems some judges noticed it was 2-fted, and one judge though it was phenomenal.

 

[sky_fly20]

I don't really care for 2 spots as long as Julia will be on the Olympics Team

 

[FlattFan]

And the 3rd and 4th place don't have any harder triples. Triple flip and 2A with inferior quality. So yeah. Whatever, haters.

 

[aftertherain]

Well, I've yet to see any lady Jr. or Sr. complete a triple loop/triple loop combo or a triple toe-half loop-triple Salchow. Certainly no US lady.

Tara Lipinski and Caroline Zhang (3Lo-3Lo), Sasha Cohen (3T/L/3S).

Hey, you never said they had to be ratified and you didn't say what time period.

 

[breeze]

Thank you all for providing kind explanations! Learning something every time I visit here..

 

[Ziggy]

Osmond should have been third. Very good choreography delivered with a lot of attack and confidence and huge powerful jumps.

She would have probably scored higher, had she skated in the final group.

 

[aftertherain]

Ladies starting order for the LP: http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG004.HTM

the Queen ends the competition. Osmond is between Mao and Yuna, I hope this doesn't make her nervous. Good for Carolina to skate before Yuna and Mao.
It's hope it's gonna be amazing

OOOOOOH. I love this final group! It's a shame that Akiko's not part of it. I love the final group's programs as well as Akiko's!

 

[FSGMT]

Where did you get this from? The only time I've seen -2s given instead of -3s is for extenuating circumstances (such as when Patrick Chan hit the boards in the middle of his quad combo)

Wagner actually even received a -1 for her 3Lo+2A sequence at GPF were she landed perfectly the 3Lo but then fell in the 2A, that was also DG, and I didn't see anyone complaining about it

 

[ffionhanathomas]

It does look so. Actually most of her spins have improved since NRW.

Yes definitely. I always thought her spins were her weakest elements but they look so much better which is great!

Just watched Tuktamysheva again, poor thing. Incredible height in the triple lutz though - wow! Hopefully she'll do better in the long, I love her expression and she's so talented. People always say she has bad ice coverage though - does this mean that she doesn't cover much of the ice, or doesn't cover much fast enough? Sorry I'm a bit confused!

 

[sk8ingcoach]

Carolina would NEVER get the kind of over-scores she gets if fellow Italian Cinquanta wasn't chief of the ISU. Been happening for years. There, I said it.

I seriously hate when people say that. Why would any judge or technical specialist push carolinas points just because the president of ISU is italian. That is complete nonsense

 

[MiRé]

Yikes...... Im worried about Yuna now.... Skating last is not her favorite...

 

[Art&Sport]

Figure skating is subjective and political. And under the wildly variant and forever rule-changing scoring system, a case can be made for ANYTHING! It's truly funny how fans go on and on about GOEs and all the protocols, many of which make absolutely no sense. You pick out what you want to justify whatever, just as the judges do. Yes Carolina is a fine skater, but she didn't stand up under pressure. Caro was scored individually in a way that other skaters without the rep and political backing are not scored for their good qualities, but are dumped on heavily for making one mistake.

The sport stinks and it stinks worse and worse as time goes by. It's just not even compelling to watch for beautiful programs with all the point-grabbing maneuvers required of skaters.

Ya know, Osmond is a really good skater, but she doesn't have to pay any dues at all. First year in seniors and she's flying high because she delivered with good tech and cutesy-cute posing. "I'm skating in Canada, home-country, look at me peeps."

I think Murakami is such an emotionally beautiful skaters these days and I respect her placement here, because she was overly low-balled and unfairly nit-picked at other comps this season.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

3. Anything other than a solo triple out of steps in a SP MUST receive -3 from all the judges.

Shouldn't the same be for a fall? And this wasn't a fall on your legs and put your hands type fall... her butt was fully down, feet up in the air. And it's not exactly like Kostner's 3-3 met a lot of positive GOE requirements to negate the fall.

Those -2's are outrageous. Kostner should have been behind Wagner, IMO. And if you wanna be like yaddah yaddah yaddah her skating's so great, who cares if she fell, maybe she would be behind Osmond since Wagner had a safe layout.

3-3(fall), 3L, 2A beats two clean short programs with 3-3, 3F, 2A. That's absolutely unreal. I thought from last night and today's conservative marking in the earlier flights that the judges were cracking down on errors, regardless of whether or not you're a top skater, but apparently the cheques cleared just before the final flight. :sarcasm: