Yes, others were over-scored. Yu Na shouldn't be complaining. She is in first place with a very good score. If she skates clean, no one can catch her. Even if she makes a mistake like popping a solo triple into a double, she should still win. She controls her own destiny.
Strangely that is the way she skated when she first appeared on the national scene and one of the things I liked most about her, but no so much anymore imo.
You have to set aside whatever feelings you have regarding her and just listen to the music and watch what she's doing. There's a rise and fall in the program (mood, intensity...expand and contract) that she reflects on the ice with her movements. It's not so much about hitting a beat b/c anyone can do that. Gracie's program hits many accents on the music throughout...however her delivery of it leaves me yawning. Why? It looks rehearsed and thought out and there's no other connection to the music or movement.
Carolina's movements are effortless and organic. She flows extremely well in her movements so much so that it doesn't look like "choreography." What's more, the music is part of the program instead of just background noise. There's great attention to detail and the music she picks isn't always easy to skate. It takes a special skater to make a difficult piece of music work. Add that to her effortless speed, edging, gorgeous lines, etc. and she is a remarkable skater.
The jump difficulty isn't her forte but I've learned to appreciate her for what she does well. Two years ago I couldn't stand Carolina...but I get her now. Not everyone will though...
To me, she's the best in that regard. Not to say that others aren't great...but her programs along with her delivery set her ahead of the bunch most of the time.
OK. Really, I want to TRY to understand why people think Kostner has good artistry, interpretation and choreography. Because I really don't see it.
Here is Kostner's SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5suwKlI9ZB4
Can you tell me which part specifically? Do you mean 1:56? Or 2:07? Please show me.
People with eyes and ears like what Caro's done in the past few years.
But if you don't, that's ok, too. I can live without finding youtube clips of Japanese skaters impeding Carolina Kostner in practice.
You have to set aside whatever feelings you have regarding her and just listen to the music and watch what she's doing. There's a rise and fall in the program (mood, intensity...expand and contract) that she reflects on the ice with her movements. It's not so much about hitting a beat b/c anyone can do that. Gracie's program hits many accents on the music throughout...however her delivery of it leaves me yawning. Why? It looks rehearsed and thought out and there's no other connection to the music or movement.
Carolina's movements are effortless and organic. She flows extremely well in her movements so much so that it doesn't look like "choreography." What's more, the music is part of the program instead of just background noise. There's great attention to detail and the music she picks isn't always easy to skate. It takes a special skater to make a difficult piece of music work. Add that to her effortless speed, edging, gorgeous lines, etc. and she is a remarkable skater.
The jump difficulty isn't her forte but I've learned to appreciate her for what she does well. Two years ago I couldn't stand Carolina...but I get her now. Not everyone will though...
To me, she's the best in that regard. Not to say that others aren't great...but her programs along with her delivery set her ahead of the bunch most of the time.
OK. Really, I want to TRY to understand why people think Kostner has good artistry, interpretation and choreography. Because I really don't see it.
Here is Kostner's SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5suwKlI9ZB4
Can you tell me which part specifically? Do you mean 1:56? Or 2:07? Please show me.
Thanks for making this board a less welcoming place for people to talk about things you personally aren't interested in. I'll be sure to run all future post ideas by you before I say anything ever again.
I was just reading posts here for many years, but I registered finally since I really was infuriated by the scoring yesterday.Oh well, Yuna has every right to complain. She was clearly underscored with widely controversial "e"-mark with 3F, which in my eyes and within the eyes of Euro commentators, was executed superb way as usual, with slight in-edge. Yes, 70-0.03 is good score. But she definitely deserved more score in both TES wise and PCS wise, especially when Caro's were even higher than Olympic clean Yuna's. (which was already inflated back then, so Caro got higher than this, is just wrong.) I get that Caro has good qualities, but yesterday's with the fall, that was not, really not superior to Yuna's in every aspect.
I completely agree with you, but I think that what makes so many people angry is the fact that Carolina is just 3 points behind with easier jumps and a fall but, as you said, Yu-Na's choreography was not really something extraordinary, and her spins and steps are not the best in the world, anymore... There is more than jumps in figure skating! And, I think that this competition was really well-judged, the judges gave fair marks, they're not the ones who have to be blamed for the "unfair" scoring, it's the system; this said, I think that the result of this SP (with Carolina and Kanako practically tied) is absolutely correct!I think that the "e" was unwarranted on the flip but then again, I don't get why people are so outraged. There have been many times where a skater receives a questionable call yet not nearly this amount of hell is raised b/c of it.
It seems like people feel b/c she nailed the jumps her score should be 74+ automatically. I don't think that performance was worth more than a little over 70. The jumps were great (including the 3F) and she executed everything, but I don't feel her performance stood out other than from a technical standpoint. Spins and footwork, program as a whole...she was solid but I think there were a number of people who were better in those areas.
I think some fans are having a hard time realizing that in her absence there are skaters who have closed the gap somewhat, whereas before a clean skate in the SP would have had Yu-Na at least 5 points ahead of her nearest competitor. From a technical stanpoint in regards to jumps, she's still the best overall (though if Gracie Gold landed her jumps consistently that title would belong to her). In terms of spins, footwork, and programs, Yu-Na is not at the top anymore IMO. Her spins (aside from the layover camel which is excellent) are average to good; her footwork is still very good but I do think both Carolina and Mao have her beat; in terms of programs, it's completely subjective. I think the program is good but not outstanding...
I was happy to see Yu-Na return with one of the few clean skates of the event, especially b/c I was skeptical about her being able to handle the pressure of coming back to this level of competititon. I thought skated very well and I thought her score was good...but all of the wuz robbed talk is kinda wrecking it for me, especially when she's in the lead. It's confusing. Are people mad that she's not 5-10 points ahead? I'm just wondering why some people are so upset...
OK. Really, I want to TRY to understand why people think Kostner has good artistry, interpretation and choreography. Because I really don't see it.
Here is Kostner's SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5suwKlI9ZB4
Can you tell me which part specifically? Do you mean 1:56? Or 2:07? Please show me.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...gner-gracie-gold-world-championships/1988393/
"After a clean, but safe program, Wagner said she put herself within 'fighting distance' of a medal with a score of 63.98. Instead of attempting a triple-triple combination, she went with the triple-double since so much is on the line. In the long program, she plans to skate aggressively to keep up with the big guns."
There was also another interview where Ashley said that Nicks told her before she started to skate how she felt safest. She didn't feel safe going into the planned 3-3, so she doubled the second toe loop.
Personally, I'm not uber outraged compared to others, but I do think Carolina was generously marked. She's not the only one, though. I think in general falls are not punished enough in CoP. But that's another topic.
I completely agree with you, but I think that what makes so many people angry is the fact that Carolina is just 3 points behind with easier jumps and a fall but, as you said, Yu-Na's choreography was not really something extraordinary, and her spins and steps are not the best in the world, anymore... There is more than jumps in figure skating! And, I think that this competition was really well-judged, the judges gave fair marks, they're not the ones who have to be blamed for the "unfair" scoring, it's the system; this said, I think that the result of this SP (with Carolina and Kanako practically tied) is absolutely correct!
Personally, I'm not uber outraged compared to others, but I do think Carolina was generously marked. She's not the only one, though. I think in general falls are not punished enough in CoP. But that's another topic.
plushyfan said:I believe Adelina was underscored.