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2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

Well, I had to work (am I the only one? Are most of you from Europe and you watch it at night?)
Anyway, I finally saw the "horribly judged" competition, and here are my thoughts.

I was judging along, and I found most of the ladies got about the same number of points. The spread was very close in the 135-140 area. Again, I didn't get to look at flutzes on a computer screen like the real judges did.

Overall, my scores came out similar to the judges (within a few points). There were two exceptions:
Polina I had much higher and Adelina I had much lower (20+ points). I agree she was remarkably overscored.

The way the crowd was carrying on, I almost got the impression that the judges were afraid not to give it to Adelina. I think it is worth looking into what role fear or pressure plays in deciding these competitions. Perhaps the Olympics should not be held in countries where stars in the "judged" sports take place.

Having said that, the way people were/are carrying on on the message boards, I was expecting a disastrous performance from Adelina, and I didn't see that. Her long program was about the same as everyone else's, really. The two long programs that stood out for me were Mao Asada (perfect plus and axel!) and Carolina (song I've heard of, beautifully skated). Yuna's was the best danced, but it was not as good as either last year's or her 2010 performance. I disagree that her performance was for the ages. I gave her 10 bonus points for being Yuna, but without them, she'd be in the pile with everyone else. All the long programs were overall good, it was not the mess the men's long was. Even people who fell managed to complete some hard jumps, skate with attack, and more or less give B+ performances. But it was not the best competition by a long shot.

So do I think the results were horrifying? No. But I do think Adelina was overmarked in both her short and long programs, especially the short. (If she did tl/tl in the short, why did she have the same points as those who did flips or lutz/tl combos?)
 
I think the face she gave after finishing her Worlds 2013 FS kind of gave that up ;), This entire round was a lot less exciting for her it looks

That FS by the way was as good and as emotional as it gets, Whether she's into it or not
Kim Yuna's SP and FS was good, but not emotional as I watch her performed it. I and my friend, my mum watched the live event at the same time, we all agreed the program was beautiful but we don't feel exciting about it, it was kind of flat comparing to her previous achivements.
 
Sandra was saying that Yuna was spectacular. Sandra was very emotional. Then she said the system might not let her get those points to win because she had less difficulties. It sounded like they taped some of those comments after the results.
 
Although I disagree with the outcome and do think the judging was highly questionable(and i'm being nice by putting it that way), I do hope that nothing does come out that the judging was fixed/rigged/planned for Adelina to win(or any Russian skater in the competition, for that matter). Fact is, she's the Olympic champion and deserves for it to be clean and not questioned. Might sound like i'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but the title of ''Olympic Champion'' garners this statement.
 
Sandra was saying that Yuna was spectacular. Sandra was very emotional. Then she said the system might not let her get those points to win because she had less difficulties. It sounded like they taped some of those comments after the results.

How do they handle that? I've always wondered if they tape their comments or are actually live when we don't see them and tape the segments when we see them at the arena.
 
Gracie, Polina and Ashley will be on Today in the morning and I believe Bob said they will be on Late Night at 1am EST. Also, Johnny and Tara will definitely be on Late Night to discuss this.
 
Here is how to make judging more transparent. After each competition, the judges appear publicly at a press conference to explain why they gave who what scores. Anyone who has questions will be allowed to ask the judges at that time. Unfortunately this will not happen because the governing bodies would take it as a personal slight to their secret club rules and would be offended to have to prove their integrity. They just expect respect without having earned it.

Well the New York Times should get a gold medal for trying to explain things:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?_r=0

It still doesn't explain the PCS/GOE. I don't think anyone is arguing that Adelina didnt have the hardest jumps but her technique is wild and swingy, combined with no finesse which should be reflected in lower PCS/GOE.
 
Although I disagree with the outcome and do think the judging was highly questionable(and i'm being nice by putting it that way), I do hope that nothing does come out that the judging was fixed/rigged/planned for Adelina to win(or any Russian skater in the competition, for that matter). Fact is, she's the Olympic champion and deserves for it to be clean and not questioned. Might sound like i'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but the title of ''Olympic Champion'' garners this statement.

I actually hope some further news of an official variety comes out on the heels of the l'Equipe article which implied over half of the Olympic figure skating results were already fixed beforehand. Hopefully something more pronounced and official comes out soon. That would be the best thing for the sport.
 
It still doesn't explain the PCS/GOE. I don't think anyone is arguing that Adelina didnt have the hardest jumps but her technique is wild and swingy, combined with no finesse which should be reflected in lower PCS/GOE.

Once again a lot of us love watching a skater JUMP INTO their jump. Those jumps are big, and they were clearly controlled with speed coming in and out...
 
It still doesn't explain the PCS/GOE. I don't think anyone is arguing that Adelina didnt have the hardest jumps but her technique is wild and swingy, combined with no finesse which should be reflected in lower PCS/GOE.

No....but at least they're breaking it down exactly how the judges score them......you can now question element by element....whether she deserved that +GOE.
 
I agree with her TES. I just question her high PCS. I have stated my opinion about this matter many times.
And for being passionate, it shows in all her moves, the energy and youthfulness, all the needed qualities that makes people like her performance, if that is not counted, then I don't know what is. The mood that she created when performed, it really helped her. It make people at the stadium find it convincing. I also find her performance electric and pleasing to watch.
What I wanted to say is, if the PSC score is indeed not planned, and the judges simply like Adelina's performance better, because they sense the fire, the energy or anything special, then might be it's the effect of the crowd, they were cheering erratically. Anyways, I am still confused over her PCS anyways.:confused:

It's fine if her energy and fire gets reflected in "Performance execution" but even there enthusiasm alone wont get you to the top of the mark,
My point is i don't think she's "Creating" anything, She had the crowd in her pocket the moment she was born at a Russian hospital,
And though she did display a lot of good vibes and performed well, I think it was easier for her, I would imagine it much harder for Carolina, Kim or Wagner in that
Group to manufacture good playful energy, What with 3,000 people giving them the stink eye from the crowd, And barely applauding at start and finish,
Now THAT requires some talent ;)
 
It's fine if her energy and fire gets reflected in "Performance execution" but even there enthusiasm alone wont get you to the top of the mark,
My point is i don't think she's "Creating" anything, She had the crowd in her pocket the moment she was born at a Russian hospital,
And though she did display a lot of good vibes and performed well, I think it was easier for her, I would imagine it much harder for Carolina, Kim or Wagner in that
Group to manufacture good playful energy, What with 3,000 people giving them the stink eye from the crowd, And barely applauding at start and finish,
Now THAT requires some talent ;)

I saw tons of cheering for Kim. And Sotnikova's Skating skills are very good.
 
Impressions after seeing the ladies:

Osmond really has the whole package once she ups her technical now that she's healthy again. Her plan had been to add in a triple flip/triple toe combo for this season, and you can easily see her being successful in this regard. She's got great speed and charisma second-to-none. Really looking forward to seeing what she does in the future.

Asada - it was sad she wasn't fighting for a medal. That's one of the best programs I've ever seen her skate. She showed the heart of a champion even after what had to be one of the worst disappointments of her life.

Lipnitskaya - I love her flexibility moves, but she just skates like such a robot. Clearly they've given her decent choreography and she does it, but totally without heart or musicality. All of her movements are abrupt and unfinished. I'd say her coaches should focus on this full-tilt, but her jumps are also tiny and I have to wonder if she'll still have them as she continues to grow into a woman's body.

Kostner - for my money the skate of the night, again. She's my gold medalist. Not some of the big ticket jump combos, but the quality and the footwork etc. Gorgeous. I really didn't get her early in her career and thought she was completely overrated simply on the basis of her speed. But she's really developed into one of the greats.

Sotnikova - I adore her, but yeah, her PCS were ridiculous. I thought she was better in that respect in the short. She attacked throughout, but the end of the program in particular was sloppy and messy in presentation. I always hate when skaters in a competition actively gesture for the audience to start clapping with them. She was so thrilled with her result and that was wonderful to see. Tons of technical content. I totally admire her guts and nerve to come out and fight for it under what had to be intense pressure.

Kim - Yeah, she should have had this over Sotnikova, what else is there to say? Just so much more mature in presentation, far more advanced skating skills and performance.
 
Just watched the replay on NBC with different eyes after knowing the outcome. Yuna was gorgeous and would have been my choice for gold! Mao brought me to tears. Gracie has a nice look on the ice and barring the fall, she had a beautiful skate. Looking forward to next Olympics I think the team competition should go. Am I the only one who thinks this?

Nope, you are not alone in thinking that. I think the team competition is an absolute joke. I also thought Yuna was gorgeous too. Her step sequence matched the tango while her jumps were ever so light and easy-looking. Mao skated very well too. What I couldn't wrap my head around was how Sotnikova could get such a high score. Compared to Yuna's program, as well as her LP at Vancouver, Sotnikova lacked in fluidity, transition, skating skills and sophistication. Although I know that she had an extra triple (which in my opinion shouldn't matter - as I recall, Lysacek didn't have quads in his Vancouver performance unlike Plushenko, but still won gold) and scoring rules have changed since 2010, I could not comprehend how her program could exceed Yuna's Les Mis programme (148pts), as well as being just 0.11pts shy of Yuna's 2010 LP. This just proved how inconsistent the judges are.

Having said that, I reckon the Russians have brought a dark cloud upon themselves as well as Sotnikova's career. With inflated scores like hers, she will have to live forever trying to prove that it wasn't a fluke. As MANY critics and figure skating experts have said, the gold medal was gift to Sotnikova.

Another thing that came to my attention was Sotnikova's behaviour at the press conference after the event. After her turn was up, she blatantly left the room (without permission to leave) while other skaters were still answering questions. Presumably a lot of Russian reporters went after her, causing a stir. That for me is not a true definition of a champion.
 
Besides us fans analyzing all the details and crazy complicated math,
most casual viewers will watch and not understand.
They will wonder: why 2 clean skates fall below one with a step out. Thus, the sport dies.
 
Once again a lot of us love watching a skater JUMP INTO their jump. Those jumps are big, and they were clearly controlled with speed coming in and out...

Yeah like Sotnikova is the only one with big jumps. Kim and Kostner's are just as big and superior in pretty much every other aspect. Sotnikova's jumps also dont have control compared to the other top skaters and take off and landings are usually fugly, with much flawed technique. I know you love Adelina to death so are blind when watching her, but there is a reason her win is creating a bigger outcry than the biggest of Chan's victories (which of course you went on for months about even though this one which is far worse you will defend with about 3 others vs thousands who oppose it :laugh:).
 
All I can say is Yuna must have nerves of steel. Damn. All that pressure and she turns in 4 perfect performances in two consecutive olympics. Talk about mental toughness. How many gold medal female figure skaters have returned to 2nd olympics? (I exclude the time when all the professionals returned when they were allowed to) Katarina I know but other than that, I do not know of any others, but I only remember recent times. I loved her reaction when she saw her scores, she knew, but she was ok, and she simply looked lovely. She is a true champion. Congrats to Yuna and to the female skaters who showed the men how it is done!

Sonja Henie won three golds
 
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