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2016-17 Splits & Partner Changes

golden411icecoverage said:
Disagree that Tessa/Scott are the reason.
Six members of the national team would not have been all that unusual.

For example:

Skate Canada named six dance couples to the national team for 2013-14.

Skate Canada named six ladies to the national team for 2015-16.
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Thanks! Usually I notice just 5 but I guess there are exceptions. I really hope they are still together.
 
What I can't understand is that last year they put six Ladies in National team, but they restrict number of Ice Dance Team once again, even tough it's their selling point. Only Pairs are as good as Ice Dance right now in Canada. If Orford/Hill knew they won't be receive funding, even tough they were very promising, no wonder they might've resigned. I don't see how Canada will maintain the highest level of Ice Dance after 2018 doing things like this. :disapp:
 
What is at least encouraging news from that national team is that Paradis/Ouellette haven't split up! Yay!! :yahoo:
 
cathlen said:
What I can't understand is that last year they put six Ladies in National team, but they restrict number of Ice Dance Team once again, even tough it's their selling point. Only Pairs are as good as Ice Dance right now in Canada. If Orford/Hill knew they won't be receive funding, even tough they were very promising, no wonder they might've resigned. I don't see how Canada will maintain the highest level of Ice Dance after 2018 doing things like this. :disapp:
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I was also hoping that the ice dance teams were restricted to five "just because" they were restricted to five. But I saw it as bad news either way, because it meant no funding.

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I wonder sometimes if TPTB even watched Orford/Hill skate....
 
cathlen said:
What I can't understand is that last year they put six Ladies in National team, but they restrict number of Ice Dance Team once again, even tough it's their selling point. Only Pairs are as good as Ice Dance right now in Canada. If Orford/Hill knew they won't be receive funding, even tough they were very promising, no wonder they might've resigned. I don't see how Canada will maintain the highest level of Ice Dance after 2018 doing things like this. :disapp:
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IIRC: they didn't want to penalize Kaetlyn from missing nationals due to injury and also didn't want to deny the 5th skater her place. I think that since ladies is the weakest link it's fine to encourage a 6th team member. We don't know if Orford and Hill have officially split up yet, and if they have, was it before or after they found out about the National team and its funding. We won't know unless they tell us.
 
Virtue/Moir (along with Weaver/Poje and Gilles/Poirier and Paradis/Ouellette) will not receive their funding through the High Performance grant (that being a part of the National Team gives you). They will receive their funding from Sport Canada, as they meet the requirements there and it is specified that teams who receive Sport Canada funding are not eligible for the High Performance grant. In fact, most of the skaters on the National Team in all of the disciplines receive funding from Sport Canada, either because of their results, or because they are listed as a developmental team/skater. At the very least, Orford/Hill would have been eligible for the High Performance grant, no matter if they had been named part of the team (and because it would have no impact on their funding as the fifth place finsher from Nationals, there would be no reason not to name them to the team).

https://skatecanada.ca/national-team/skate-canada-high-performance-grants/

https://info.skatecanada.ca/hc/en-c...anada-Athlete-Assistance-Program-Carding-List
 
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cathlen said:
What I can't understand is that last year they put six Ladies in National team, but they restrict number of Ice Dance Team once again, even tough it's their selling point. Only Pairs are as good as Ice Dance right now in Canada. If Orford/Hill knew they won't be receive funding, even tough they were very promising, no wonder they might've resigned. I don't see how Canada will maintain the highest level of Ice Dance after 2018 doing things like this. :disapp:
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I think last year the situation was that the 4th place team, Orford/Williams, split. The next in line, the 6th place team of Bent/MacKeen also split. The 7th place team of Edwards/Pang was off due to injury. So instead of replacing a top 5 team with the 8th placed team, they gave Kaetlyn that 'spot'. She did qualify due to the team event OSM.

Similarly this year because Grenier/Deschamps split there would possibly be the option to have 6 dance teams. But I can't say why that didn't happen. Maybe there is an undisclosed injury, or they really did retire.
 
I am super bummed if Orford and Hill have split. I thought they had really fabulous potential, though of course being from Canada it was going to be an uphill battle internationally and nationally just due to the crazy depth there.
 
tulosai said:
I am super bummed if Orford and Hill have split. I thought they had really fabulous potential, though of course being from Canada it was going to be an uphill battle internationally and nationally just due to the crazy depth there.
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I would not necessarily say the depth is all that great. The third team did not make the free dance at Worlds. There are many teams, but only two that are elite. Well, three now that V/M are returning.
 
who has 3 teams in top ten at worlds?

Paradis-Ouellete were virtually unknown to the international scene ... that could explain them not making the free dance... I think most countries would be envious of Canada as far as ice dance is concerned...
carriecmu0503 said:
I would not necessarily say the depth is all that great. The third team did not make the free dance at Worlds. There are many teams, but only two that are elite. Well, three now that V/M are returning.
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4everchan said:
who has 3 teams in top ten at worlds?
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This year? USA.
Last year? USA & Russia.
Next year? We'll have to see;).

It's not a cakewalk for any country to qualify three top ten teams at Worlds in dance right now. There is more international depth every year.

P&O could have qualified for the FD. They defeated Muramoto & Reed at 4CC's. (And Paul & Islam defeated the Danes early in the season). Then again, Gilles & Poirier could have failed to finish top ten. They lost to both Bobrova & Soloviev and Sinitsina & Katsalapov this season and wouldn't have been anywhere near as high in the SD at Worlds with their technical scores from 4CC's. And, as we all should know, last year's seventh, eighth, & ninth place finishers didn't make the top ten at this year's Worlds this season. So I guess we'll all just have to wait and watch the actual competitions next season.
 
The 3 US teams were in the TOP SIX at Worlds: Shibutanis 2nd, Chock/Bates 3rd, Hubbell/Donohue 6th.
 
:) you guys :) i was simply answering the poster who said that Canada had no depth in Ice dance.... Canada, like the USA could very well place 3 teams in the top ten next year... I was not talking about the depth in other countries but simply correcting the previous poster as Canada's depth in pairs and ice dance is a fact not a dream
 
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4everchan said:
:) you guys :) i was simply answering the poster who said that Canada had no depth in Ice dance.... Canada, like the USA could very well place 3 teams in the top ten next year... I was not talking about the depth in other countries but simply correcting the previous poster as Canada's depth in pairs and ice dance is a fact not a dream
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I did not say Canada had NO depth in ice dance, as you just stated. I said the depth was not all that great. Which, being that their 3rd best team could not qualify for the free dance, shows they do in fact not have much depth at the moment. As it is, they only held on to their third spot for next near by the skin of their teeth, with their top two teams getting 5th and 8th. I also stated that they will be deeper next year, with the return of V/M. Their current top 2 teams (W/P, G/P) are elite; beyond that, none of their teams are competitive on the world stage at the moment. That is what is meant by saying they do not have depth. We saw the result of that with the US ladies: though Kwan and one or two other US ladies dominated the world for over a decade, there weren't any ladies coming up behind. As a result, the US went nine straight years with no lady on the podium. Depth means you have at least 5-6 skaters/ teams at any one point who could be competitive on the world stage. The US STILL lacks depth in ladies, even though they placed 3 in the top 10 at worlds. Beyond the three who were sent and the injured Edmonds, there really is nobody coming up and ready to take the world by storm.
 
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carriecmu0503 said:
I did not say Canada had NO depth in ice dance, as you just stated. I said the depth was not all that great. Which, being that their 3rd best team could not qualify for the free dance, shows they do in fact not have much depth at the moment. As it is, they only held on to their third spot for next near by the skin of their teeth, with their top two teams getting 5th and 8th. I also stated that they will be deeper next year, with the return of V/M. Their current top 2 teams (W/P, G/P) are elite; beyond that, none of their teams are competitive on the world stage at the moment. That is what is meant by saying they do not have depth. We saw the result of that with the US ladies: though Kwan and one or two other US ladies dominated the world for over a decade, there weren't any ladies coming up behind. As a result, the US went nine straight years with no lady on the podium. Depth means you have at least 5-6 skaters/ teams at any one point who could be competitive on the world stage. The US STILL lacks depth in ladies, even though they placed 3 in the top 10 at worlds. Beyond the three who were sent and the injured Edmonds, there really is nobody coming up and ready to take the world by storm.
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What does this have to do with this topic. Anyone know orupdates on splits
 
carriecmu0503 said:
I did not say Canada had NO depth in ice dance, as you just stated. I said the depth was not all that great. Which, being that their 3rd best team could not qualify for the free dance, shows they do in fact not have much depth at the moment. As it is, they only held on to their third spot for next near by the skin of their teeth, with their top two teams getting 5th and 8th. I also stated that they will be deeper next year, with the return of V/M. Their current top 2 teams (W/P, G/P) are elite; beyond that, none of their teams are competitive on the world stage at the moment. That is what is meant by saying they do not have depth. We saw the result of that with the US ladies: though Kwan and one or two other US ladies dominated the world for over a decade, there weren't any ladies coming up behind. As a result, the US went nine straight years with no lady on the podium. Depth means you have at least 5-6 skaters/ teams at any one point who could be competitive on the world stage. The US STILL lacks depth in ladies, even though they placed 3 in the top 10 at worlds. Beyond the three who were sent and the injured Edmonds, there really is nobody coming up and ready to take the world by storm.
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no country in ice dance has 5 or 6 teams that could podium... in ice dance, having 2 or 3 elite teams is a huge luxury. USA,Canada and Russia have depth IMHO. YMMV.
Paradis Ouellette were surprise 3rd place finishers at Nationals... Many expected other teams to place ahead.... Paul Islam probably would have placed higher. etc etc.

and the 5th place of Weapo was unfortunate and unexpected. Many put them on the podium, top two and even some thought they would be winning it all. Canada didn't have a great competition in ice dance for the first year in many. It's been on the podium for MANY years in a row. I am sure many other countries envy the Canadian depth as it is right now.

Have a look at this... this year, was the first time Canada didn't win a medal in 10 years ... no other country has done so. 3 different teams. I'd call this depth.

2006 Canada Calgary Bulgaria Albena Denkova / Maxim Staviski Canada Marie-France Dubreuil / Patrice Lauzon United States Tanith Belbin / Benjamin Agosto
2007 Japan Tokyo Bulgaria Albena Denkova / Maxim Staviski Canada Marie-France Dubreuil / Patrice Lauzon United States Tanith Belbin / Benjamin Agosto
2008 Sweden Gothenburg France Isabelle Delobel / Olivier Schoenfelder Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir Russia Jana Khokhlova / Sergei Novitski
2009 United States Los Angeles Russia Oksana Domnina / Maxim Shabalin United States Tanith Belbin / Benjamin Agosto Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir
2010 Italy Turin Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir United States Meryl Davis / Charlie White Italy Federica Faiella / Massimo Scali
2011 Russia Moscow United States Meryl Davis / Charlie White Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir United States Maia Shibutani / Alex Shibutani
2012 France Nice Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir United States Meryl Davis / Charlie White France Nathalie Péchalat / Fabian Bourzat
2013 Canada London United States Meryl Davis / Charlie White Canada Tessa Virtue / Scott Moir Russia Ekaterina Bobrova / Dmitri Soloviev
2014 Japan Saitama Italy Anna Cappellini / Luca Lanotte Canada Kaitlyn Weaver / Andrew Poje France Nathalie Péchalat / Fabian Bourzat
2015 China Shanghai France Gabriella Papadakis / Guillaume Cizeron United States Madison Chock / Evan Bates Canada Kaitlyn Weaver / Andrew Poje
2016 United States Boston France Gabriella Papadakis / Guillaume Cizeron United States Maia Shibutani / Alex Shibutani United States Madison Chock / Evan Bates

To get back on topic. We are still waiting to hear about Orford and Hill.. Have they retired? I don't think there would be another partner change or split in their case ?
 
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I think post 2018 Canada is going to struggle a bit with V/M and W/P no doubt retiring. I don't ever see G/P on the World podium and there doesn't seem to be really good Junior teams coming up. I think the US will be in a much stronger position post 2018 with all the depth in Juniors not just with soon to be Senior teams like the Parsons and M/C but younger teams like Carreira/Ponomarenko.
 
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