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2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

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[/SUB]Other sections had 4 sectional entries each and Quebec had 8. The four Ontario sections had 4 each = 16. Seems sensible that Skate Ontario should keep 16 spots for Challenge
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I'm not sure, but I think that Eastern Ontario brought sectional entry slots with it when it was spun off from the old Quebec and Eastern Ontario section....

So, there could be precedent.....

Have no idea where to look this up...
 
As I was re-scrutinizing the GP entry lists [thanks Mango], I noticed that although the pairs entry list was updated two days ago to scratch entries for the Cup of France, Kirsten Moore-Towers and Michael Marinaro are still listed for NHK.

Does anyone have any news about her readiness to compete following the concussion?

Kirsten posted this instagram gif of her post-concussion eye warm up protocol last week....While she's clearly training again, I don't see anything about competition...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMZ3b8EBWGX/?taken-by=kirsten_mt&hl=en
 
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I'd like to add Nic Nadeau to the list of skaters whose status I'd like to know. You can hear his FS music in the background of this clip of Joseph and the Decelles twins but no Nic to be seen. :no:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMZ_xYPgHS1/

I guess we'll find out by Challenge? :think:
 
Skate Canada needs to do better at promoting their younger skaters. Nicolas Nadeau is really talented and I see him challenging for a spot on the team event at 2018 if his quads are consistent. He needs more international and big competition experience. My wish is for him to skate really well at Nationals and get a chance at Worlds.
 
lyndichee said:
Skate Canada needs to do better at promoting their younger skaters. Nicolas Nadeau is really talented and I see him challenging for a spot on the team event at 2018 if his quads are consistent. He needs more international and big competition experience. My wish is for him to skate really well at Nationals and get a chance at Worlds.
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i think he was set up to compete on jgp this fall but is injured. I think he's the future of Canadian male skating and i do have the feeling that we would have heard way more about him this fall if he had been healthy. Last news i heard of him was him landing 4Lz in practice
 
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Saw this and am wondering now why isn't Skate Canada sending out novice ice dancers to international events? USFSA is doing it. There is no longer that depth in Canada that once existed.

It would be ideal if there were more opportunities for younger Juniors and Novice Ice Dancers to compete, as there are not as many summer competitions that can attract a large ice dance field. Between 1996 and 2006 the United States and Canada sponsored a series of competitions designed to give Novice and younger Junior level skaters an opportunity to gain international competition experience. Meryl Davis & Charlie White, Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir, Evan Bates, Kaitlyn Weaver, Andrew Poje, Madison Hubbell, Mitchell Islam, Piper Gilles, Paul Poirier, and Maia Shibutani & Alex Shibutani all competed at the North American Challenge Series (NACS) before it was abandoned in 2006 due to lack of funding.

Considering that the last two Olympic Gold Medalists in Ice Dance, and the majority of the current American and Canadian Ice Dance Podiums all began their International competitive careers on the NACS, it might be a good idea if U.S. Skating and Skate Canada could once again find a way to fund this series.
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From: http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/Competitions/2016Nationals/2016 US Nationals ND.htm
 
Mango said:
Saw this and am wondering now why isn't Skate Canada sending out novice ice dancers to international events? USFSA is doing it. There is no longer that depth in Canada that once existed.
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I think the biggest roadblock is that international novice dance competitions have very different requirements from domestic novice competitions in Canada.

For one the CD dances in international competition are easier than the ones that Skate Canada makes their novice teams skate domestic chanpionships.

Here is a quote from the ISU advanced novice ( supposedly equivalent to our novice ) rules about pattern dances. The whole thing can be found at http://static.isu.org/media/1001/2013-novice-sandp_id_sys_communication-2016_revised.pdf.

For now I'll focus in my quote only on the compulsory dance part as it will show that for the most part the required CD dances are easier than the ones that Skate Canada requires its novice ice dancers to do domestically.

Excerpt from isu communications 2013.

3. Technical Requirements for Advanced Novice competitions Ice Dance
3.1
Pattern Dance
Rule 711, paragraph 1: for Novice International Competitions, the list of Pattern Dances will
be announced annually by the Ice Dance Technical Committee in an ISU Communication not
later than June 1 st , to become effective on July 1st of the year following the announcement.
Two (2) Pattern Dances are to be skated:
Group 1: #4 European Waltz and #20 Tango
Group 2: #3 Rocker Foxtrot and #9 Starlight Waltz
Group 3: #12 Kilian and #23 Blues
One group of two Pattern Dances shall be drawn before the first practice of the competition
from the two groups announced for the season:

Season 2016/17 and every third season: Group 3 and Group 1
Season 2017/18 and every third season: Group 1 and Group 2
Season 2018/19 and every third season: Group 2 and Group 3

--- end excerpt ----


The two dances this year are the european waltz and the tango. In Canada juveniles compete the european waltz. Even our pre-novice skaters do the much harder starlight waltz. Of those 6 dances listed only the starlight waltz and blues are done by the novices ( and those are usually paired with a much harder 2nd dance like argentine tango for instance ).


While I won't quote the whole FD requirement , one thing that is required in Canadian domestic competition but not in international advanced novice competition is the non-touching step sequence.


I think SC wants to load up the novices with something tougher CD dances and introduce them to non-touching step sequences so they transition to junior more easily
 
Adequate competition experience in general, given guidance for this development stage in the Long Term Athlete Development Model, and international competition experience in particular seem to be a serious problem.

Whether in ice dance or singles, the promising skaters should be spending 25% of the year on competition and related preparations. When I do the math, it doesn't get to that.

Summer series, sectionals and Challenge aren't enough, even when many are permitted to skate up to get a higher level of competition. (Which doesn't really work for ice dance due to the pattern requirements.

And the proportion of cross border entries on the summer competitions that are jointly accredited by Skate Canada and the USFSA seems to be falling. Detroit Skate still gets a number of Canadians skating as juniors and seniors, as does the Lake Placid International Ice Dance, but I believe that I don't see the same level of US entries at Minto and Thornhill for example.

It seems that the two federations have really diverged in their approaches to requirements, competition and assessment below the level of juniors. With such different requirements, I can't see individual skaters or teams choosing to skate cross border, let alone new joint competitions or series....

BTW I think Skate Canada is going in the right direction in embracing the spirit of COP and absolute scoring norms all the way down to STAR 1. The higher tech and skills requirements seem essential to lay a foundation for future....
 
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Thanks nadster for the info. Question to you - do you think the harder requirements have produced better ice dancers amongst those who have moved from novice to junior? From what I've seen Fabbri/Pietrantonio show promise but even they were not hitting results in the high 130s or up.

And do you think even with the simpler international requirements that couples could benefit from international competition experience? From what I see they cannot build their international PCS rep and get a feel for what ISU judges want by not competing abroad until the junior level. Though this problem doesn't seem to be limited to ice dance.

TGee said:
Adequate competition experience in general, given guidance for this development stage in the Long Term Athlete Development Model, and international competition experience in particular seem to be a serious problem.

Whether in ice dance or singles, the promising skaters should be spending 25% of the year on competition and related preparations. When I do the math, it doesn't get to that.

Summer series, sectionals and Challenge aren't enough, even when many are permitted to skate up to get a higher level of competition. (Which doesn't really work for ice dance due to the pattern requirements.

And the proportion of cross border entries on the summer competitions that are jointly accredited by Skate Canada and the USFSA seems to be falling. Detroit Skate still gets a number of Canadians skating as juniors and seniors, as does the Lake Placid International Ice Dance, but I believe that I don't see the same level of US entries at Minto and Thornhill for example.

It seems that the two federations have really diverged in their approaches to requirements, competition and assessment below the level of juniors. With such different requirements, I can't see individual skaters or teams choosing to skate cross border, let alone new joint competitions or series....

BTW I think Skate Canada is going in the right direction in embracing the spirit of COP and absolute scoring norms all the way down to STAR 1. The higher tech and skills requirements seem essential to lay a foundation for future....
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I think some Americans were also at Championnats d'été in Pierrefonds. But you're right, USFSA and Skate Canada appear to be going different routes. The Americans are much more willing to send skaters out to get international experience. That may just have to do with funding, though. Skate Canada has made a good decision to at least host Autumn Classic International as a Challenger Series event. Wish they could add in advanced novice categories to it too. Agreed about the use of COP in Canada. Seeing the 6.0 system in the US is bizarre.
 
I'm am not in love with sponsoships, but it appears that Skate Canada needs some resources to flow to fund Canadian skaters to get out to more ISU events, to expand Autumn Classic to include Advance Novice, and to cover the full JPG costs for skaters.

Right now Canadian Tire is the title sponsor for nationals, which is a good fit for them given many Canadians still get their first skates there. Underarmour is showing with its sponsorship how training gear can be athletic looking as well as great looking, and fit men as well as women. But there could be more.... :think:

So, in the spirit of FUN, but also because it's really needed, how would folks like brainstorm to come up with a top 5 list of suggestions for new sponsors for Skate Canada?


Here goes.....a few ideas from me to get the ball rolling...

--- RIM/Blackberry -- because figure skating lives on social media --- Wouldn't having all those good looking skaters using BBs help shake the stuffy business leader image?

--- Diamond Bourse of Canada -- ethical and glittery -- what a great fit with figure skating!

--- Air Canada ---- Do events have official airlines anymore?
 
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TGee RIM is like dying. I wouldn't go to them! But if you do want a telecommunications company involved then Bell is the logical choice, as they own CTV/TSN, which air SCI and Nationals.

HBC is another I would pick. They sponsor the Canadian Olympic Committee.

I'd also suggest a car manufacturer. Maybe a Japanese one, like Toyota. Ricoh is also a national sponsor despite being a Japanese company. Tessa and Scott actually did have deal with Acura West in London, ON.

A big company like Samsung would be good, too. They are involved with athletes anyways. Could be something good for PyeongChang. But they may not want to sponsor non-South Korean athletes.
 
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TGee RIM is like dying. I wouldn't go to them! But if you do want a telecommunications company involved then Bell is the logical choice, as they own CTV/TSN, which air SCI and Nationals.

HBC is another I would pick. They sponsor the Canadian Olympic Committee.

I'd also suggest a car manufacturer. Maybe a Japanese one, like Toyota. Ricoh is also a national sponsor despite being a Japanese company. Tessa and Scott actually did have deal with Acura West in London, ON.

A big company like Samsung would be good, too. They are involved with athletes anyways. Could be something good for PyeongChang. But they may not want to sponsor non-South Korean athletes.
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I'd been thinking about firms for whom this would be a bottom-line enhancing investment.....

Thought about Bell, but gets complicated with the broadcasting rights....

Yup, RIM's in trouble, but the question is whether the Skate Canada brand would fit in with their repositioning strategy...I'm thinking about the mileage the Royal Bank has had on it's ads about funding Olympians....I suspect that the Royal Bank spent more on placing and producing those ads than it actually put out in funding to athletes...RIM might get a lot of social media promotion with a sponsorship, and could do well to feature good looking skaters using its phones in promotional materials.

Car industry sounds like a smart idea.....Brought to mind BMW's team of Olympians.....But Toyota would be a better fit --- Or maybe Chrysler, with it's funky design ideas, might see itself boosted by skating.

Was thinking about what industries might like to get the style cachet of figure skating....not sure that Ricoh is getting that from having it's logo on the boards...

HBC would be great....but I was thinking that they would draw the line at their existing commitments to the Cdn Olympic Committee...

Was wondering about a healthy food company....
 
TGee said:
I'd been thinking about firms for whom this would be a bottom-line enhancing investment.....

Thought about Bell, but gets complicated with the broadcasting rights....

Yup, RIM's in trouble, but the question is whether the Skate Canada brand would fit in with their repositioning strategy...I'm thinking about the mileage the Royal Bank has had on it's ads about funding Olympians....I suspect that the Royal Bank spent more on placing and producing those ads than it actually put out in funding to athletes...RIM might get a lot of social media promotion with a sponsorship, and could do well to feature good looking skaters using its phones in promotional materials.

Car industry sounds like a smart idea.....Brought to mind BMW's team of Olympians.....But Toyota would be a better fit --- Or maybe Chrysler, with it's funky design ideas, might see itself boosted by skating.

Was thinking about what industries might like to get the style cachet of figure skating....not sure that Ricoh is getting that from having it's logo on the boards...

HBC would be great....but I was thinking that they would draw the line at their existing commitments to the Cdn Olympic Committee...

Was wondering about a healthy food company....
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If we are talking Olympic sponsors there's P&G, McDonalds, and Visa. Larkyn Austman was the skater in the P&G 'mothers' ad for Sochi. Visa used Olympians this year for Rio. But these sponsorships are Olympics-specific.

Wholefoods? Meagan would be happy. :biggrin: I forgot about the banks. Scotiabank has a deal with the NHL. How about insurance companies? Skaters get injured all the time. Actually, Scott Moir appeared in a commercial for belairdirect! I also remembered Virgin Mobile and their numerous partnerships - it could work if they had a meet & greet kind of thing with the skaters. That's the other thing I haven't thought too much of...each company would require some kind of access to the skaters. Appearances in commercials would be good as it would give both the skaters promotion as well as the companies.
 
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