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It's very easy to verify the legitimacy of votes if (1) they're all from the same IP address or (2) the votes for a particular candidate are clustered and in rapid succession in a way that a human couldn't achieve.
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It's very easy to verify the legitimacy of votes if (1) they're all from the same IP address or (2) the votes for a particular candidate are clustered and in rapid succession in a way that a human couldn't achieve.
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I suppose it would be easy if TCC had access to that detailed level of information. However, TCC was just embedding Pollcaster links on the TCC website.
I'm not familiar with user capabilities like those you listed above from the Pollcaster software they were utilizing. That's probably why they abandoned Pollcaster and moved to a different platform.
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IP addresses and timestamps are the most basic back-end data that a platform could provide (my not-very-advanced running club quite easily validated election results this way one year when there was a suspicious result). The Pollcaster link is just the front-end that they were showing the public (obviously they wouldn't provide the back-end data to voters for privacy concerns).
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I don't understand how the teams are formed. But, is it that Gracie will now face Med again? The universe is saying to Gracie she's going to have to deal.
It would be good for Gracie. She's in great shape. She has a chance to skate this great program clean internationally - which she didn't do this season. Whether she beats Med or not, I don't care. But I'd like to see her skate her own program - not be driven by external events.
It would be good for Gracie. She's in great shape. She has a chance to skate this great program clean internationally - which she didn't do this season. Whether she beats Med or not, I don't care. But I'd like to see her skate her own program - not be driven by external events.
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Have you used Pollcaster software before and looked at the 'admin panel'? Created your own polls there and managed them? I can't find any options on my end that would allow me to investigate things like automated voting.
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Oh? You're right. When did Tuk withdraw?
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If someone were to have access to a heavily trafficked website wouldn't it be faily easy post a click bait link that actually goes nowhere but generates a vote from unknowing people everytime it gets clicked. I'm told it could redirect for a second or two and then even go to the desired link without anyone knowing what just happened. Of course it would need to be set up properly and that is beyond my level of computer hacking skills but I know a guy who swears this is how he built up followers on social media and he even says you can pay people to get you followers and views and this is the basic premise.
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I never understood this either.
Misha Ge probably never had a chance. But I am a fan of Misha Ge. I voted for Misha Ge. In competition, will Boyang Jin finish ahead of Misha Ge 100 out of 100 times? Yep. But the "poll" didn't ask me to predict an outcome, it asked me who my favorite skater was.
The greenbacks test: if I had fifty bucks, and you told me, I got to see one skater for that 50 bucks, Misha or Boyang, 100 out of 100 times I would say point me to the rink where Misha's skating. And if you said, but Boyang lands quad lutz combos, how wonderful is that, I would say, what does *that* have to do with who my favorite of these two skaters is? Point me to the rink where Misha is skating.
Not this year, sigh:sad21:
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What I do not understand:
If someone made the effort to set up a bot, why not set it up so that the votes are not clustered in such rapid succession that detection would be possible on that basis???
TCC originally encouraged people to "vote often" -- so the IP address thing alone would not have been cause for concern.
Notable that TCC did not give final voting stats. Just the names of the Captain's Picks, without any quantification (neither raw votes not percentages).
(One of the only smart voting-related things that TCC did. I too suspect that arbitrariness came into play, although we don't have the numbers.)
The pairs competition is only the FS. The dance competition is only the FD.
For men and ladies, the SP and FS are essentially two separate competitions within TCC.
Separate prize money for the SP.
Different rules for the SP vs. the FS.
Friday's SP results for men and ladies do not carry over to Saturday's team results for all four disciplines.
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Ha, I don't think that Gracie is a tough challenge for Medvedeva in honest competition both in SP and especially in FS. Even if she skates clean. The only chance is that Medvedeva may be tired and not motivated very much. But she wanted to compete in TCC very much as far as I know
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This whole event was introduced with such great promises...and then turned out as a gigantic joke: from the "voting", to the many skaters who (rightfully so) not deemed it worthy of attending, to the shady IN policy. If I watch it will be just to see Kristi, Shizuka and Christopher Dean... okay maybe also to see Shoma die of embarrassment as usual in this more "social" occasions
They appeared to get along fine in Boston. They were spotted together in a park near the hotel taking pics of each other and they were chilling playing Jenga together with other skaters. Probably is about the most u will get at this point.
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Quick question for those of you who started paying attention to this earlier than I did: when I went to the IN website, it was not listed in bold with Worlds etc. on the first subscription page, but linked under the "complete list of subscription events." Did they remove it from the first page, or has it always been like that?
I tweeted at icenetwork and USFS. I also emailed USFS and politely asked them to confirm in writing that there is an error. We'll see how they respond.
Legally, I just don't see how they can do this. The competition was announced a year ago. We (or at least I) purchased passes in August.
But Mirai wasn't nominated and she has won some things this season along with medaling at 4 Continents. Soyoun hasn't been anywhere near a podium that I can recall. One would hope the fans would vote for the team as well as the country, but I guess not!
Yes, I paid 49.99, too, but that is not the point. Ice Network probably doesn't care if some of us refuse to pay because they are just trying to make some extra money. Some subscribers are going to pay as will some non-subscribers. It's all just extra money to them. It would be hard to prove fraud. The best bet would be to appeal to public relations but apparently they don't care.
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I think the idea is that people were voting for who they wanted to SEE, not necessarily to 'help the team win', but instead to increase their enjoyment of the event by having some of their favorites be there, especially since only the top score from each discipline counts toward the team score anyway. Does that make sense? Can you understand why someone might just vote for who they want to see, not for who they think would score the best? If the idea was just to get who would score the best, probably the 'most logical' if still imperfect solution would be to invite the person who has the highest seasons' best score.
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Actually, it's exactly the point. Legally they cannot unilaterally (by themselves, without agreement) change the terms of the contract, which is essentially what purchase of the season pass is.
You are talking about something completely different from what I was saying. My point is, they don't care. They have our money. They will make more money when some people buy the additional subscriptions. Do I think what they are doing is acceptable? No. Am I annoyed that they want me to pay an extra $10? Yes. Do I plan to sue them? No.
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