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2018-19 Ladies' power ranking

Mine now (like to update after every GP):
1. Alina - Rika.
3. Satoko - Liza.
5. Medvedeva
6. Sakamoto
7. Samodurova
8. Tennell
9. Tarusina
10. Lim
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and include juniors in my power ranking. The purpose of the ranking, after all, is to identify potential talents for 2022 and rank who is likely to skate the best up until then. This is my personal opinion of if we had a competition right now, no restrictions, who would get the highest score.

1. Alina Zagitova - I wouldn't call her a favorite for anything other than Worlds 2019. But the junior's quads translating into seniors which is 1 year in the future is still dubious. Alina has shown she can weather changes to her body, and maintain a level, that will necessitate the current juniors to skate clean with quad(s) and get PCS boost to beat.
2. Alexandra Trusova - Quad, quad, quad, that is all. I will be hesitant to move her to the first spot until she executes quads at the senior level and shown that they can last. But I have a feeling she will be number 1 soon.
3. Rika Kihira - mainly based on her performance at the NHK. But her 3A seems quite consistent and is more useful than any one quad since it can be done in the short. Her PCS will go up too if she puts in a few more NHK like performances.
4. Alena Kostornaia - Beautiful skating skills and incredibly consistent too. She NEEDS a triple axel though.
5. Anna Shcherbakova - quads also. and PCS are not too bad also, and triple jumps that will get high GOEs
6. Satoko Miyahara - Jumps are small, but curiously has been getting more GOEs this season. At big events urs tend to be overlooked which is good for Satoko. But I can't see judges letting her tiny jumps win a major event, and they do hinder her PCS score also. And her tiny jumps preclude her from trying 3A/4s.
7. Elizaveta Tuktymysheva - She is looking stronger than ever. Jumps amazing, maybe get a 3F and second 3A. She has a low PCS ceiling (68) though. Really nothing she can do about that.
8. Evgenia Medvedeva - With her e jumps and URs being called, and her jumps more inconsistent than ever, Evgenia is in a precarious position. Her performance at her next GP will be very important for her to save her PCS cushion, if she bombs, I think moving forward her PCS will drop considerably. Her PCS is already a lot less than Alina...if perfectly clean probably a 72 compared to 75 for Alina.
9. Carolina Kostner - Judges will throw PCS to her, she will get the highest PCS at any event she goes to, even if she bombs. She will probably have an easier program than most, and make more mistakes on average, but it's not like no one else will make mistakes either]. Respect to her though, her longevity is unparalleled, especially in this day and age.
10. Kaori Sakamoto - relatively consistent but has got a low ceiling, nothing too special

Also notice the country diversity here...not much. In a real event there can only be max 3 Russians. Such is the nature of figure skating.

Predictions for Beijing? it's all too early for that :drama: Also - many things can be very different depending whether ISU would raise seniors age or not. There can be tons of hungry for medals and powerful 15 y.o. skaters you know nothing about now (Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Liu etc. - who knows in what form they will be). Also, about Zagitova - I am almost sure that she will retire after year or two. Her body type does not look promising for maintaning long career and she lacks ambitiousness and motivation. It's even more apparent judging by recent Eteri interview talking about how Alina was trying to quit skating this summer already. It's too stressful for her and I think she deserved normal life for a change.
Kostner? It's not even funny) She will retire this season - reasons are obvious. I will be very surprised if that wouldn'be the case.
Tuktamysheva gonna retire too (she even hinted about it in her recent interview). Miyahara doesn't look to me as someone who is gonna last until Beijing as well. Losing to Kihira as well as health issues will be too hard for her to continue this long. Japan has much more competitive environment than Italy after all.
 
Hmm pending results next week I might put Rika above Alina now. Seems like Alina is still be actively growing and adjusting throughout this season, so there's less room for error than she used to have. When she gets tight during competitions mistakes are more frequent.

I agree that Rika may just have passed Alina. Despite reputation and generous home scoring at COR, BOTH of Alina’s scores on the GP are below that of Rika’s one score at NHK, when Rika had no reputation and didn’t even skate clean in the SP there. And Alina’s average GP score is also slightly below that of Satoko’s. And to think that people were predicting Alina to be untouchable this season after a B event. The top skaters are in fact so much closer score wise. Now they realize the reality and that the momentum has been shifting.
 
Anyone have a list of top scores so far this season? I know you can't compare across competitions but I think it would be interesting information.
 
Predictions for Beijing? it's all too early for that :drama: Also - many things can be very different depending whether ISU would raise seniors age or not. There can be tons of hungry for medals and powerful 15 y.o. skaters you know nothing about now (Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Liu etc. - who knows in what form they will be). Also, about Zagitova - I am almost sure that she will retire after year or two. Her body type does not look promising for maintaning long career and she lacks ambitiousness and motivation. It's even more apparent judging by recent Eteri interview talking about how Alina was trying to quit skating this summer already. It's too stressful for her and I think she deserved normal life for a change.
Kostner? It's not even funny) She will retire this year - reasons are obvious. I will be very surprised if that wouldn'be the case.
Tuktamysheva gonna retire too (she even hinted about it in her recent interview). Miyahara doesn't look to me as someone who is gonna last until Beijing as well. Losing to Kihira as well as health issues will be too hard for her to continue this long. Japan has much more competitive environment than Italy after all.

These are not predictions for 2022...they are my predictions of rankings at an event RIGHT NOW if everyone could come, no restriction, in anticipation for some of the girls that will be there 2022... Obviously I do not expect all of these individuals to be in Beijing, that is physically and (by the rules) impossible. "She will retire this year - reasons are obvious." HUH? I will bet with you that is not happening, with regards to both Alina and Kostner.

As for Rika--will wait until the next event. Zagitova again did not skate cleanly, I hope she can iron out the kinks. Her spot is growing more precarious though it is hard to say right now that Rika would beat her in a head to head.
 
I agree that Rika may just have passed Alina. Despite reputation and generous home scoring at COR, BOTH of Alina’s scores on the GP are below that of Rika’s one score at NHK, when Rika had no reputation and didn’t even skate clean in the SP there. And Alina’s average GP score is also slightly below that of Satoko’s. And to think that people were predicting Alina to be untouchable this season after a B event. The top skaters are in fact so much closer score wise. Now they realize the reality and that the momentum has been shifting.

I don't agree. Alina wasn't clean at either GP event and Satoko performed her best, as well as getting some generous GOE scoring (particularly at NHK). A clean Alina, like the one we saw at Nebelhorn, is still far ahead of the pack. She leads the SB list by 14 points ahead of Kihira and Trusova. And Rika has skated one GP event - she's also not known for being consistent. At the GPF, the one who is cleaner will win.
 
At the GPF, the one who the tech panel will be less picky about will win.

Fixed. :biggrin:

If the tech panel is strict Alina will be at the losing end of that battle.

Before this season her UR weren’t being called and now they are. Rika doesn’t typically UR.
 
If the tech panel is strict Alina will be at the losing end of that battle.

Before this season her UR weren’t being called and now they are. Rika doesn’t typically UR.

That's what I asked somewhere else. Since it is in Canada they are known for stricter panels. But someone said the ISU picks the panel, but still we saw how at ACI and SCI they were stricter. Anyway, I don't mind strict but as long as everyone is getting treated the same.
 
My feeling overall is that the judging has gotten stricter at all the events. A lot of skaters are getting called on things they weren't before, even spins. Could be a step in the right direction.
 
If the tech panel is strict Alina will be at the losing end of that battle.

Before this season her UR weren’t being called and now they are. Rika doesn’t typically UR.

It would be also more fair to Liza too if the panel is strict. She doesn’t UR or prerotate, her 3 rotations on the 3Lz are done in the air. It’s tragic how she gets lower scores on her perfect Lz than some other skaters.
 
It would be also more fair to Liza too if the panel is strict. She doesn’t UR or prerotate, her 3 rotations on the 3Lz are done in the air. It’s tragic how she gets lower scores on her perfect Lz than some other skaters.

Liza is a hard one. I personally prefer her jumps to most other seniors this season, but she should be getting +3. Good height, good take off, good speed. No creative entry/exit and not transitions for the most part.

For others though they aren’t getting the first three bullets, but are getting the last two. However, you are only supposed to get the last two if the first three are satisfied.

I think that’s he issue this year. Judges aren’t used to that one part of if you don’t have the first three the rest shouldn’t matter.
 
These are not predictions for 2022...they are my predictions of rankings at an event RIGHT NOW if everyone could come, no restriction, in anticipation for some of the girls that will be there 2022... Obviously I do not expect all of these individuals to be in Beijing, that is physically and (by the rules) impossible. "She will retire this year - reasons are obvious." HUH? I will bet with you that is not happening.

I’m often confused as well with what some people type up. Who are they to make retirement predictions/ announcements for skaters? Especially considering the same people come up with conspiracy theories involving the tech panel making ‘fake’ UR calls, the latest one is to limit the scores of a skater so that another competitor can make it to GPF, when the UR calls were confirmed by gifs and members on site :rofl:
 
However, you are only supposed to get the last two if the first three are satisfied.

I think that’s he issue this year. Judges aren’t used to that one part of if you don’t have the first three the rest shouldn’t matter.

Iirc the first three bullets are required only for the +4/+5 GOE range. The judges are allowed to give, say, +1 to a jump that only satisfies the "element matches the music" bullet.
 
Iirc the first three bullets are required only for the +4/+5 GOE range. The judges are allowed to give, say, +1 to a jump that only satisfies the "element matches the music" bullet.
Sorry I guess I wasn’t clear. I was referring to the +4/5 that some have received this season.

An example is Alina’s 2A at Rostelecom.

Both received +4 from certain judges and they do not meet the good height requirement IMO.
 
Predictions for Beijing? it's all too early for that :drama: Also - many things can be very different depending whether ISU would raise seniors age or not. There can be tons of hungry for medals and powerful 15 y.o. skaters you know nothing about now (Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Liu etc. - who knows in what form they will be). Also, about Zagitova - I am almost sure that she will retire after year or two. Her body type does not look promising for maintaning long career and she lacks ambitiousness and motivation. It's even more apparent judging by recent Eteri interview talking about how Alina was trying to quit skating this summer already. It's too stressful for her and I think she deserved normal life for a change.
Kostner? It's not even funny) She will retire this season - reasons are obvious. I will be very surprised if that wouldn'be the case.
Tuktamysheva gonna retire too (she even hinted about it in her recent interview). Miyahara doesn't look to me as someone who is gonna last until Beijing as well. Losing to Kihira as well as health issues will be too hard for her to continue this long. Japan has much more competitive environment than Italy after all.

There is actually no reason for Kostner to retire, unless she is superinjured or a new number one lady who can skate better appears.

Italy may actually want her to keep competing, because she secures another spot for Italian ladies by placing in TOP 10.

When did Tuktik hint at retiring? She seems to be enjoying competing a lot at the moment.
 
Predictions for Beijing? it's all too early for that :drama: Also - many things can be very different depending whether ISU would raise seniors age or not. There can be tons of hungry for medals and powerful 15 y.o. skaters you know nothing about now (Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Liu etc. - who knows in what form they will be). Also, about Zagitova - I am almost sure that she will retire after year or two. Her body type does not look promising for maintaning long career and she lacks ambitiousness and motivation. It's even more apparent judging by recent Eteri interview talking about how Alina was trying to quit skating this summer already. It's too stressful for her and I think she deserved normal life for a change.
Kostner? It's not even funny) She will retire this season - reasons are obvious. I will be very surprised if that wouldn'be the case.
Tuktamysheva gonna retire too (she even hinted about it in her recent interview). Miyahara doesn't look to me as someone who is gonna last until Beijing as well. Losing to Kihira as well as health issues will be too hard for her to continue this long. Japan has much more competitive environment than Italy after all.

Do you have some kind of retirement crystal ball I don't know about? Or one that can see people's ambitions and goals? And if you look at the past two quads, the world and olympic podiums all have different body types, so unless you have some special figure skating dynamics degree to predict ideal body types, I think we better go with the evidence.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but it feels very weird to me that people are considering Rika the top lady in the world right now after a SINGLE GP event... with a home crowd also.
 
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