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Ah OK I see where you're coming from. Makes sense! :agree:
Well, im not sure what you meant with that
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Ah OK I see where you're coming from. Makes sense! :agree:
Well, im not sure what you meant with thatBut my point was that is very very important to compete and win as many ISU events prior to the bigest competitions of the year... Because you will have the privilege to skate in groups which are per se known as the one with higher scoring potential... The starting position is very important in the ISU competitions, thats just the way it is...
Well, im not sure what you meant with thatBut my point was that is very very important to compete and win as many ISU events prior to the bigest competition of the year... Because of that you will have the privilege to skate in group which is per se known as the one with higher scoring potential... The starting position is very important in all the ISU competitions, thats just the way it is...
Do you think Virtue/Moir would have scored higher if they had skated in the final or penultimate group at 2017 Worlds SD?: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/SEG007.HTM
Do you think Virtue/Moir would have scored higher if they had skated in the final or penultimate group at 2017 Worlds SD?: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/SEG007.HTM
What about Shen/Zhao who skated first at 2010 Olympics SP?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/SEG005.HTM
Wait I was under the impression that the IJS eliminated the whole early group = low score and late = higher score. Wasn't that part of the point of it?
I hate to think anyone lost or won the Olympics because of their starting positions!
Wait I was under the impression that the IJS eliminated the whole early group = low score and late = higher score. Wasn't that part of the point of it?
I hate to think anyone lost or won the Olympics because of their starting positions!
Wait I was under the impression that the IJS eliminated the whole early group = low score and late = higher score. Wasn't that part of the point of it?
I hate to think anyone lost or won the Olympics because of their starting positions!
Just a side note to the new season and new rules: currently, Samarin (CS 3rd, GP 3rd+4th, Europeans 2nd) leads the men's ranking while Uno is 6th (CS 1st, GP 1st+1st, GPF 2nd), Chen is 10th (GP 1st+1st, GPF 1st), Hanyu is 14th (GP 1st+1st). Oh yeah, sounds about right. #smh
So, he may be placed lower in the ISU ranks than. He won Worlds the year before, so i'm not sure... But it is not good when you are not getting those points from ISU competitions... For example, I think both Yuna and Pluschenko lost Olympics because they were not competing in all those ISU events prior to Olympics. As a concequence they skated very early their short programs and they were awarded less than skaters who were ranked higher and scheduled to skate in the final groups....
Hanyu's currently 3rd in the World Standings and he's got enough of a lead that it's not gonna change before Worlds. The only changes that are possible, even likely, are that Boyang Jin and Vincent Zhou will advance ahead of Samarin and Brown into top 6, and that Messing and Junhwan Cha will advance to top 12 (Messing could even get into top 6, theoretically.)
Wait I was under the impression that the IJS eliminated the whole early group = low score and late = higher score. Wasn't that part of the point of it?
I hate to think anyone lost or won the Olympics because of their starting positions!
Some folks say it's because of starting positions, but there were several factors that cost Kim and Plushenko their second gold medals - partly not maxing out their base value (Kim not doing a 7th triple - yeah yeah yeah, I know the loop hurt her back or whatever, bottom line is she didn't attempt it and Sotnikova went for 7; Plushenko left out a 3-jump combo which would have won, and deliberately didn't include transitions thinking all he needed to do were the elements and call it a day), some bad judging (Sotnikova got exceedingly generous scores but arguably still could have edged out Kim, just not by over 5 points which was ridiculous). Starting position may have shortchanged Kim's/Plu's PCS to some extent, but I don't think it cost them, and would rather hold their layout decisions and the judges scoring (in the case of Kim; for Plushenko I thought the PCS was fine, although I thought Lysacek's should have been slightly higher rather than them tying) accountable for them not winning.
Yes, there is a trend that the first couple groups with lesser ranked/lesser known receive less PCS but it's not like nobody (including the judges) knew that both were the reigning Olympic champion (and in Kim's case, World champion).
Of course there were several factors which decided the winner, including the legitime one - that both Lysachek and Sotnikova were very good that night. I've never wanted to debate their win, because i really think they were the deserving winners... The same way those others would be too - if lets say Pluschenko competed against Lyschacek in Sochi with same performances, and Yuna against Adelina and Caro in Pyeongchang, or Caro against Adelina and Yuna in Torino, again with those same performances - i'm pretty sure the results will be different... I was just trying to say that there are other factors which can favour someone or something more and starting position is one of them.. And those factors are part of any sports competition of any sport in the world...

Ah okay, I hear ya.
And yes, the results would be very different, lol. Plu would have gotten like 93 PCS, instead of 83, and Sotnikova would have gotten like 64 PCS instead of 74.![]()
topicArtistry in a program that's performed at it's best will always have a set mark. But technical ability in a program can always go up or down depending on how much base value a skater chooses to incorporate or not incorporate, and of course how well that difficulty is executed.
And it's been mentioned again and again: if PCS was brought higher in scale it would only create a greater discrepancy between skaters like Hanyu and Chen and the rest of the pack and "save" top-tier skaters who have poor performances
Frankly, I'm thrilled that a skater like Jin or Zhou can make it onto the World podium by having much greater tech content, instead of waiting for the judges to give them PCS that allows for it.
Just because Brown isn't doing quads or seems close to getting one doesn't mean the PCS scale should be raised to give him more of a fighting chance.
The technical mark and "second mark" are supposed to be roughly equal in weight.
The technical mark and "second mark" are supposed to be roughly equal in weight.