2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[EVAMARIA]

Thank you for the news jajoana!
I really really like Nastya and was looking forward of seeing her new programs. Now I hope she will will solve the skates problem and come back strong soon.

 

[BillNeal]

i've been looking at eteri's girls' lutzes since i saw the lutz videos on youtube.
they talk about pre-rotation and using full blade and of course wrong edge.
i noticed that medvedeva has the worst lutz out of all: clear !inside! edge, full blade on takeoff, excessive pre-rotation
shcherbakova's lutz is pretty bad as well: she has a deep outside edge during her entry but by the time she puts her toepick into the ice, her edge is already inside. also, same as medvedeva, full blade takeoff and excessive pre-rotation
panenkova&trusova are about the same: they have correct edges, but still full blade takeoff and excessive pre-rotation
zagitova is a bit better imo: correct edge and visible pre-rotation(but her pr is better than the others) her main problem is still the full blade takeoff
kostornaia has a much better lutz i think: slight unclear edge and i think her pre-rotation for her lutz is less than 1/4 so it is clearly acceptable and she doesn't really twist her body before she takeoff while all the above mentioned has this problem. and most importantly, she uses her toepick for takeoff, maybe she rocks a bit backward but she's surely not using full blade, not even 1/4 of the blade.
tarakanova&tsurskaya: obviously has the best lutz: both have a clear outside edge and the rest is about the same as kostornaia so i don't bother repeating again.
so, from what i see, the ones who have been with eteri the longest have the worst technique(med and anna), well maybe except tsurskaya(she's a really special jumping talent who has a different technique from the rest of the field). i really appreciate the consistency and the wowing entries of eteri's skaters. but before that, i think she should teach her skaters proper technique to each jump before all the fancy stuff, seriously.
I understand that it's not only eteri's problem, there are lots of russian skaters with bad jumping technique as well but i think that's not an excuse.
look at davydov's current skaters: berestovskaya and samodelkina. both have clear outside edges, minimal pre-rotation and only use their toepick for takeoff. They might not have the best height but at least they're trying with the right technique
or look at panova's skaters: kanysheva, sitnisyna, kostyuk. well kanysheva clearly has the best lutz technique, very deep outside edge, minimal pre-rotation and clear toepick takeoff, but the other two also has good technique on their lutzes as well. not to mention sotskova and tarakanova (her ex-students), which are both known for their lutzes.
and of course, the dr. of jump tech, mishin. his students always have the best technique.
it is not that hard to teach the right technique but it needs a lot of time correcting so i'm hoping that if eteri really decides to take in 5-8 students, she starts teaching them the right technique or else it would be sad to see our future ogm all have bad techniques.

This has been extensively discussed. Unfortunately, as long as people, including the judges, turn a blind eye on these problems, Eteri is not encouraged to teach proper technique. When greater GOE and same BV are given due to wrong edges, prerotation, and poor technique (eg. uncalled 3Lze at the OG), she is using the fastest route to get the highest number of points. As long as there were enough embellishments like tanos and rippons to distract the judges, as well as hitting bullets for the elements, her students were showered with high GOE (and PCS). The onus is on the judges and technical panel to actually give lower scores for flutzes (and lips), greater prerotation, poor takeoff position, etc. Some skaters at least have been sending her a message by leaving her.

 

[tars]

You don't have 6$ but you do have money to pay for your internet connection?

Somebody may have free internet connection or sb may pay 6$ for internet connection or lives in a poor family, which you can feed for a whole day with 6$, so they don't have another 6$ for a fee on internet fs fan's forum.
Maybe watching figure skating and sharing thoughts in this forum using old cellphone/computer is the only moment to breathe in sb's hard, indigent life?

Do these hypotheses satisfy your curiosity? :sarcasm:

 

[atsumiri]

BillNeal Some skaters WERE arrogant enough and put 3!!!!! FLutzes in their SP&FS.
What a surprise it wasn't Evgenia or other Eteri's skater... :sarcasm:

 

[Crazy27]

A. Sherbakova 3A
https://vk.com/im?peers=-66669811_-...54/1cf8bfd63061936f02/pl_post_-97272391_77690

 

[tars]

A. Sherbakova 3A
https://vk.com/im?peers=-66669811_-...54/1cf8bfd63061936f02/pl_post_-97272391_77690

Wait, WHAT!? :shocked:

 

[Amef]

A. Sherbakova 3A
https://vk.com/im?peers=-66669811_-...54/1cf8bfd63061936f02/pl_post_-97272391_77690

Omg. Is she gonna put it in her program?

 

[karina17]

Omg. Is she gonna put it in her program?

I doubt it. We haven’t seen her do it on ice yet, and it’s only been a few weeks since test skates where she was doing a 2A. Also, junior ladies can’t do 3A in the SP.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

If she did, I wouldn't want her to do it now, when's she just trying out the 4Lz.
But if she put it in eventually, I would want her to do it maybe like this:

4Lz, 3A, 3S, 3F-3T // 3Lz-3Lo, 3F-2T-2Lo, 3Lz

 

[Spinning]

Somebody may have free internet connection

My niece could smell a free wifi from a mile away...

Some people have to count coins for lunch on a daily basis or skip a meal altogether even in a first world country. $6 is a big deal for more than half of our populations. We should respect other people's choices. After all, figure skating is a sport for all fans. Rich or poor, does it matters?

 

[charlotte14]

It's still ridiculous, i feel all these issues must be worked out before the season begins.

They are growing up bodies. Oh gosh their bodies change all the time. I am sure Gubanova wants to compete or else the fed might have forgotten if she existed at all. They snubbed her 2 times at Junior Nationals. If she were not hurt she would not skip.

 

[BillNeal]

BillNeal Some skaters WERE arrogant enough and put 3!!!!! FLutzes in their SP&FS.
What a surprise it wasn't Evgenia or other Eteri's skater... :sarcasm:

Hmm, I'm not sure which skaters you are referring to. Certainly not a Russian lady at the OG. You're welcome to discuss non-Russian skaters in other threads.

 

[atsumiri]

Hmm, I'm not sure which skaters you are referring to. Certainly not a Russian lady at the OG. You're welcome to discuss non-Russian skaters in other threads.

Next time think about how to choose a right thread for such comments. The thread where they really belong.
Let's not be a hypocrite. Doesn't look good.

 

[Ziotic]

Next time think about how to choose a right thread for such comments. The thread where they really belong.
Let's not be a hypocrite. Doesn't look good.

I don’t think he’s being a hypocrite, just pointing out that he can’t think of which Russian lady you are referring too.

I’m also not sure myself.

Radio, Tukt, Masha, Polina all have real lutz, so why not do 3 for most points.

 

[chopinskate]

Hmm, I'm not sure which skaters you are referring to. Certainly not a Russian lady at the OG. You're welcome to discuss non-Russian skaters in other threads.

True. I did find it somehow brilliant that, given how their BVs could have stacked up at the Olympics because of this, though, Medvedeva still somehow beat Osmond. The Russian ladies either gather a huge base value, or build up a huge reputation to beat the ladies they're stacked up against. Can't always agree with some results, but gotta give it to them, they know how to work the system to beat everyone they're stacked up against. Osmond decided not to be stacked up against any Russian lady though, this year. Wonder whom they'll be defeating.

 

[BillNeal]

Next time think about how to choose a right thread for such comments. The thread where they really belong.
Let's not be a hypocrite. Doesn't look good.

No question that this is the right thread to talk about Russian ladies coached by Eteri (former students included).

 

[BillNeal]

True. I did find it somehow brilliant that, given how their BVs could have stacked up at the Olympics because of this, though, Medvedeva still somehow beat Osmond. The Russian ladies either gather a huge base value, or build up a huge reputation to beat the ladies they're stacked up against. Can't always agree with some results, but gotta give it to them, they know how to work the system to beat everyone they're stacked up against. Osmond decided not to be stacked up against any Russian lady though, this year. Winner whom they'll be defeating.

Why are non-Russian ladies unnecessarily brought up in this thread again? I recall we were informed very recently not to do this

 

[chopinskate]

This has been extensively discussed. Unfortunately, as long as people, including the judges, turn a blind eye on these problems, Eteri is not encouraged to teach proper technique. When greater GOE and same BV are given due to wrong edges, prerotation, and poor technique (eg. uncalled 3Lze at the OG), she is using the fastest route to get the highest number of points. As long as there were enough embellishments like tanos and rippons to distract the judges, as well as hitting bullets for the elements, her students were showered with high GOE (and PCS). The onus is on the judges and technical panel to actually give lower scores for flutzes (and lips), greater prerotation, poor takeoff position, etc. Some skaters at least have been sending her a message by leaving her.

Could you explain to me why Eteri is always the one that comes to your mind about "not teaching proper technique"? There are several who teach this method. I think you should let it go. It must hurt your fingers typing this extensively about Eteri and Eteri alone. Personally I am having a good laugh, though. I doubt you'd actually know why proper technique matters for good jumping.

Actually, give me 10 names, men and women, who have "proper technique" currently. In your opinion.

 

[Mrs. P]

Could you explain to me why Eteri is always the one that comes to your mind about "not teaching proper technique"? There are several who teach this method. I think you should let it go. It must hurt your fingers typing this extensively about Eteri and Eteri alone. Personally I am having a good laugh, though. I doubt you'd actually know why proper technique matters for good jumping.

Actually, give me 10 names, men and women, who have "proper technique" currently. In your opinion.

Maybe that question can be answered in a separate thread...unless all 10 are Russian ladies.

 

[50 Words for Snow]

In short. She was supposed to take part in JGP, but her new skates (she now is trying the third ones) were blistering her feet severely (can I say like that in English?). Buyanova says her feet were literally bleeding... According to her there's still a chance to take part in JGP later. But I am not that optimistic, honestly.

I must confess the whole new-skates-story sounds rather ridiculous. Anyway, best luck to Nastya.

You sure can. You could phrase it either "Her new skates were blistering her feet severely," or "Her new skates were severely blistering her feet." Either way would be acceptable, although most people would probably phrase it the second way. Nevertheless, it is fine to say it the way you did, and it makes perfect sense.