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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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I am critical towards Daniil's work in Alina's POTO, but I don't see incoherent music cuts in her Carmen, quite the opposite, the music cuts are fine for me.
i dunno, specially considering how judges work, as long as the program is packed with transitions they will love it.
this is why I am worried about Med and not about Alina.
Not all Mishin programs are the same emptiness, actually i think in this stage of his long career he tried to push more artistic skaters if you look at Petrov, Samodurova, Lozko, Nugumanova and Lazukin. (or maybe that was just Mishina's influence)
Anyway Liza with her programs tries to engage the audience, so even though there aren't the most difficult transitions, at least there is a performance quality especially in the FS.
Evgenia's FS is raw, the SP looks good, i'd say very close to its final form. I can see why people like it much more than Alina's SP, it looks better constructed. Alina's biggest strenghts are the elements: she has better jumps, better spins and more difficult transitions than Evgenia but yes the programs are not groundbreaking.
Pretty strong assignment on the 2nd stage of Russian Cup(2-6 October).
CMS: Valieva, Usacheva, Khromykh, Kostyuk, Sinitsyna, Chistyakova, Cibinova, Shabotova, Frolova.
MS: Gubanova, Panenkova, Rodionova, Tarakanova, Istomina, Staroduptseva.
https://www.sportvokrug.ru/competitions/4432//participants/
CMS: Valieva, Usacheva, Khromykh, Kostyuk, Sinitsyna, Chistyakova, Cibinova, Shabotova, Frolova.
MS: Gubanova, Panenkova, Rodionova, Tarakanova, Istomina, Staroduptseva.
https://www.sportvokrug.ru/competitions/4432//participants/
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I guess Starodubtseva is trying to compete as a senior at nationals then :shocked:
I wonder how that'll turn out, since both nationals are pretty packed but I would think that making junior would be easier
And I wonder why Eteri is putting all her KMS girls together, since they'll need high placements to qualify. With Sinitsyna, any of them could be 1-4 but 4 might squash chances of junior nationals even though it might be with a high score.
I wonder how that'll turn out, since both nationals are pretty packed but I would think that making junior would be easier
And I wonder why Eteri is putting all her KMS girls together, since they'll need high placements to qualify. With Sinitsyna, any of them could be 1-4 but 4 might squash chances of junior nationals even though it might be with a high score.
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I just read that Orser said that Evgenia forgot the first part of her choreo and went to the wrong side of the rink that is why she went into full panick mode and messed up. There is a video of Orser's reaction when it happened 
No wonder her beginning looked so empty. They also want to add more choreo they are still working on the FS.
Brian's reaction: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bng4pnogA7s/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xdlev22wbtm0
Did you guys also see that she said she wants to do a 4S?
Orser won't let her do it now however because her health is still struggeling. I mean you could see it she left out all of her laybacks in both programs. I also wonder if they will attempt a 3 Axel in the future with her having fixed her 2 Axel.
No wonder her beginning looked so empty. They also want to add more choreo they are still working on the FS. Brian's reaction: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bng4pnogA7s/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xdlev22wbtm0
Did you guys also see that she said she wants to do a 4S?
Orser won't let her do it now however because her health is still struggeling. I mean you could see it she left out all of her laybacks in both programs. I also wonder if they will attempt a 3 Axel in the future with her having fixed her 2 Axel.
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I am critical towards Daniil's work in Alina's POTO, but I don't see incoherent music cuts in her Carmen, quite the opposite, the music cuts are fine for me.
I think Carmen has much better cuts than POTO, for sure. I'm not sure about the program, I want to wait to see it in competition. Definitely has more potential than her short though, that one is just tragic. Alina is a really good skater, I'm really confused as to why they gave her such a mess of a SP when she could do so much better.
I loved Evgenia's SP, I think it will be stellar by the time SCI arrives. I can't really judge her FS because it was obviously not ready and she apparently forgot the first half of her choreography lol
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I just read that Orser said that Evgenia forgot the first part of her choreo and went to the wrong side of the rink that is why she went into full panick mode and messed up. There is a video of Orser's reaction when it happened
Brian's reaction: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bng4pnogA7s/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xdlev22wbtm0
Did you guys also see that she said she wants to do a 4S?
Brian's reactions are always so funny!
Not very surprising to me that Evgenia forgot her choreo, considering she had the same LP for 3 years and this is her first new one :sarcasm:. Anyway, I'm assuming the program is still very much a work-in-progress and is fairly new - of course I'd like to see her more prepared, but considering the coaching change and recovering from injury, it's not surprising that she is somewhat behind.
I'm glad she's determined to up the difficulty AND that Orser is protecting her health. It's a good balance.
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She has the perfect example with a person who jumped a GOE +3 Quad Salchow in the olympics right in front of her at the TCC rink. Maybe she can ask him for some tips of how to jump 4S in the future when she is stronger [emoji6]
I just read that Orser said that Evgenia forgot the first part of her choreo and went to the wrong side of the rink that is why she went into full panick mode and messed up. There is a video of Orser's reaction when it happened
Brian's reaction: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bng4pnogA7s/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xdlev22wbtm0
Did you guys also see that she said she wants to do a 4S?
I don't think a 3A is in her future. Her 3S is very good and high though, one of her best jumps, I would say it is her best jump. I can see her doing a 4S.
It’s too early in the morning for this kind of joke. I almost spit my coffee across the room
I love the cantilever. Have you noticed how many others are trying it now? Hint: It's difficult. Her triple flip in the short was an unbelievable blur. And she just shoots into jumps, no signaling (for the triples), just boom, up and over. I really don't llike 3L, 3L because for most skaters it comes to a standstill with no flow, but Trusova's-wow. And honorable mention to her huge butterfly.
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This week, the jgp team is......
Has it changed? Still Shcherbakova and Tarakanova?
Has it changed? Still Shcherbakova and Tarakanova?
I agree that Lisa's programs aren't brilliant aesthetically. However, even at this point she can hold the flow of attention of the audience and create something with them. With stable jumps, they may be able to polish.
Alina's FS is much more the program appropriate to an OGM than her SP. Yes, I agree that the cuts on Carmen aren't ideal. More, on rewatching, I'm coming to the sense that her flagging in the later part wasn't just lack of stamina, but also that the energy of the music is off the way it's cut.
That said, despite it being the warhorse of all warhorses, Carmen seems made to be skated to, and why not let her have a try. Why the fed didn't challenge coaches to avoid having 3 members of the national team with Carmen for the FS this year is another question.
But I don't agree that it's super important to have a program 'cooked' at this point. Brian has worked with other skaters who evolve their programs over the season, and fill in choreo as they go. And they end up on the top of GP, World and Olympic podiums. It's just a different way of working.
However, it's not the way Zhenya is used to working. It sounds as though, with the choreo as you go approach, she didn't have enough of the free program locked down to put it out on the ice in the stress of the test skate. If that's the case, they'll likely focus on more run throughs when she's back in Toronto. So, we may see more what they have worked out at ACI on September 22nd.
Yeah, still they.
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I agree it seems strange that they’d allow three Carmen’s for the national team. You’d think they’d talk this over ahead of time.
Although Zhenya didn’t dazzle, I think her showing was strong enough to at least minimize the coaching change drama.
I’m more worried about Alina. POTO is a terrible program with all its bizarre cuts. And I’m also worried about her nerves under pressure. Given worlds was her last official competition, the test skates have not really reassured me. I think since winning the Olympics the expectations for her are doing a number on her nerves.
This is not a workflow suitable for the russian team, basically, due to high competition (i mean, when was the last time Yuna or Javi had to worry about getting spots? When was the last time Hanyu had to worry about getting spots?). While this season is basically granted for Zhenya, next season it will not be. Russian girls cannot afford messing up in the beginning of the season to fill in choreo as they go, unfortunately.
I am actually pretty curious how Orser will adapt his workflow, and if he will, to such pressures as 1. Making the team and 2. Getting a spot. I am really unsure if he had ever worked in such a competitive environment.
EDIT: overall, i am majorly worried about Zhenya basically because her team seems to be entirely disregarding the intense national competition. We have seen how quickly russian ladies stop getting spots if they don't perform - see Tuktik after her killer season. She won everything, but since she was not winning anymore, rusfed gave the spots to whoever did better. At Olympics, judges didn't held up Zhenya either - they gave the medal to whoever performed better on that concrete day, regardless past wins. Yes, rusfed will give Zhenya a granted spot this season, if anything, to not make a fool of themselves and of TAT for supporting her coaching change. But then later?
We may not like it, but reputation is conted in into scores. Zhenya currently has a rep, but what will happen if she loses to Wakaba, for example? Will she keep getting high PCs if she spends half of the season "filling in choreo as they go" and struggling with jumps to only peak at nationals and worlds?
As for Alina, I am not worried. Her music cuts may not be the best, but we know that what she is doing is rewarded in FS. Her choreo is pretty much final version, the only thing she got to do is skate it cleanish (like last year, when she "struggled" with her SP, but even when she messed up, the scores were still high).
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It won't matter if she gets high reputation PCS anyway and makes the GPF. Any Russian lady who makes the GPF is in serious consideration for the World team.
Regardless of how competitive the environment is, too much too soon will result in injury or exacerbation of current/previous injury. Evgenia is obviously off to a slow start this season, but as long as she stays healthy, she should be able to be better prepared at the beginning of future seasons.
ETA: All the preparation in the world doesn't matter if you can't be depended on to deliver when it counts. Alina crumbled under pressure at Worlds and the pressure seemed to get to her here, too. Both Evgenia and Alina are vulnerable to losing to others, just for different reasons. That said - I think that regardless of program quality (or lack thereof) both ladies will receive 9+ in PCS.
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I say this as someone who supports Zhenya and her coaching change. It is a little shocking to see her of all people show up to test skates not fully prepared. Nerves, strategy, getting over injury or not. I’m just accustomed to seeing her show up at least as determined and prepared as her opponents. It’s a little hard to adjust to and I have to agree with many initial reactions that the ladies field in Russia is actually pretty open. I don’t think anything is off the table.
I expect a nice friendly Skate Canada for her though :agree:
I expect a nice friendly Skate Canada for her though :agree:
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I get what you mean but Orser isn't stupid. ACI is in 2weeks and we'll see what Zhenya's programs already look like there but her first important competition is in more than a month. She has all the time to add transitions, improve the choreo and get into the programs better to be able to sell it properly to the public. It's not like Hanyu ever showed in competition with an empty choreo with no transitions, he only added more as the season went by. She will not show up with an empty FS at the grand prix that is for sure. No need to even worry about that. We've seen what a few months have already done to her skating so far, better 2A, straighter tanos, lutz takeoff from the toepick instead of full blade... all that in a really short time even tho she was coming from a serious injury.
I think she is safe this season at least, she's still a favorite and she's known for being incredibly consistent. It's only next season that you'll have to start worrying when some of the super juniors go turn senior. Tbh that is what i am waiting to see. will the juniors stay healthy and will any of the current senior even qualify for worlds when the younger girls turn senior?
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