2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Tolstoj]

Mishin needs to get some better layouts for his skaters.
Even with the 3A, Liza is only attempting 6 triples.
I bet those of us on here could think of much better layouts.

I'll start:
3A
3Lz-3T
3Lo
3S-2T-2Lo
------
2A-3T
3F
3Lz

We can imagine all kinds of layout but in the end Liza has to be comfortable with it in order to skate clean, and Mishin knows better than us what's her current shape.

I think it's better having 6 triples with the 3A than 7 triples without 3A, because she has to be consistent with it and once she will be in a stronger form (honestly she just needs to practice more i feel), she will add the 3T in the Lutz combo to have the 7 triples program. Plus the 3A puts her in a different perspective for the judges.

This victory is still a huge deal for her though: she didn't get a single gold medal in the last 2 seasons, and the score in the FS is very close to her career best, so she's definitely more prepared this season and i hope this will be a confidence boost.

 

[TryMeLater]

We can imagine all kinds of layout but in the end Liza has to be comfortable with it in order to skate clean, and Mishin knows better than us what's her current shape.

I think it's better having 6 triples with the 3A than 7 triples without 3A, because she has to be consistent with it and once she will be in a stronger form (honestly she just needs to practice more i feel), she will add the 3T in the Lutz combo to have the 7 triples program. Plus the 3A puts her in a different perspective for the judges.

This victory is still a huge deal for her though: she didn't get a single gold medal in the last 2 seasons, and the score in the FS is very close to her career best, so she's definitely more prepared this season and i hope this will be a confidence boost.

Actually, the 3A with 6 triples isn't worth it point wise. Doing a 3-3 (with 7 triples) will give her an extra BV over the 3A.
I'm not even sure that a 7 triple program with a 3A is worth it, esp with the new GOE factoring.
If she were to do an 8 triple program she would be unbeatable (for now).

ETA: as for the score, it's not fair to compare scores with new GOE factoring.

 

[andromache]

My theory, which is based on nothing, is that Liza could have issues with her 3F.

 

[MalAssada]

I also see no reason to leave the 3F out of the program unless Lisa's having problems with it. That's over 5 points she's giving up.

 

[TGee]

I also see no reason to leave the 3F out of the program unless Lisa's having problems with it. That's over 5 points she's giving up.

This is just Lisa's first event. Test skates were last week.

I wouldn't assume this program is in its final form. Why are we critiquing?

My guess was that the goal for this event was to

- get that 3A ratified again in ISU competition to lay down the tech gauntlet, and stake out her technical strength

- ensure she was the champion at an ISU event

- get her restored 3Lz combo (even with a double) back into competition

She achieved these.

Even if the 3F is solid in training now, Mishin would focus on getting the two harder, higher BV jumps in front of judges first.

Risking bringing back 3 hard jumps at once was unnecessary.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I agree with TGee. She should put that 3A out there at every opportunity because she needs it to stand out from the pack. It's much easier for her to add a 7th triple when her conditioning allows it as opposed to waiting until midseason to start competing the 3A. She won the event and stayed on her feet on the 3A, so it's pretty much mission accomplished.

 

[andromache]

Is it just me or is Tarakanova tall? She comes across that way on the ice, and it gives her quite a bit of presence. Her long legs give her a great look as well.

I only now have seen her SP, and WOW, the choreography is fabulous. It might be the strongest choreography I’ve seen from a junior all season. It’s a little mature from her and you can tell she’s raw around the edges and not 100% getting it, but you can see what they’re trying to do, and the overall impact is impressive!

 

[LRK]

Is it just me or is Tarakanova tall? She comes across that way on the ice, and it gives her quite a bit of presence. Her long legs give her a great look as well.

I only now have seen her SP, and WOW, the choreography is fabulous. It might be the strongest choreography I’ve seen from a junior all season. It’s a little mature from her and you can tell she’s raw around the edges and not 100% getting it, but you can see what they’re trying to do, and the overall impact is impressive!

I think she is quite tall - one can compare her height here with Plushy's:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnjkFyWF0ot/?taken-by=angelsofplushenko

Also, so glad you too loved the SP choreo - I too thought the program has immense promise.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

So, next week on the jgp we’ll see......I can’t remember.....

Oh, and I really wasn’t expecting Tarakanova to change her music!

 

[skatenewbie]

So, next week on the jgp we’ll see......I can’t remember.....

Oh, and I really wasn’t expecting Tarakanova to change her music!

i like her previous music better though

so Vasilieva will have to scored better than 187 (since Tarusina scored 186) and silver medal to secured 2nd assignment!

 

[Lipea]

Actually, the 3A with 6 triples isn't worth it point wise. Doing a 3-3 (with 7 triples) will give her an extra BV over the 3A.
I'm not even sure that a 7 triple program with a 3A is worth it, esp with the new GOE factoring.
If she were to do an 8 triple program she would be unbeatable (for now).

ETA: as for the score, it's not fair to compare scores with new GOE factoring.

With 3A, as quad-girls example shown, the judges give better PCS...

 

[Lipea]

Is it just me or is Tarakanova tall? She comes across that way on the ice, and it gives her quite a bit of presence. Her long legs give her a great look as well.

I only now have seen her SP, and WOW, the choreography is fabulous. It might be the strongest choreography I’ve seen from a junior all season. It’s a little mature from her and you can tell she’s raw around the edges and not 100% getting it, but you can see what they’re trying to do, and the overall impact is impressive!

I agree, and I don't understand why her PCS and especially interpretation part is lower than Sherbakova who skates yet very junior-like.

 

[Lipea]

I also see no reason to leave the 3F out of the program unless Lisa's having problems with it. That's over 5 points she's giving up.

But in her current layot where would you place it?
Right now they seem to aim to get 3l-3t once she get in her top shape.
And then, she won't be (and I cannot think of anyone who could) able to do two 3-3.

 

[moriel]

With 3A, as quad-girls example shown, the judges give better PCS...

Not really. Judges like winners. If you win everything, you will get better PCs.

 

[moriel]

But in her current layot where would you place it?
Right now they seem to aim to get 3l-3t once she get in her top shape.
And then, she won't be (and I cannot think of anyone who could) able to do two 3-3.

Arent two 3-3s pretty much standard for top skaters?



Assuming Liza will change 3Lz+2T to 3Lz+3T at some point, the BV is 48,55.
3A 8.00
3Lz+3T 10.10
3Lz 5.90
2A+3T 7.50
3Lo x 5.39
3S+2T+2Lo x 8.03
2A x 3.63

For comparison, Shcherbakova's BV from Bratislava: 47,53
3F+3Lo 10.20
2A+2T+2Lo 6.30
2A 3.30
3S 4.30
3Lz+3T x 11.11
3F x 5.83
3Lz x 6.49

If we count what Liza currently did, with 3Lz+2T, her BV is 45,65, which is basically what all top ladies without 3A get. Its just some average top layout with 7 triples. Kostornaia's and Tarakanova's jump BV in free are around 45.

A harder layout with 7 triples, such as Shcherbakova's, only loses 1 point to Liza's layout with 3Lz+3T and 3A.

So, tbh, her current layout is not that impressive at all, score-wise. It is not "a whole different level", like what Trusova does.

 

[hippomoomin]

Tarakanova is definitely much taller than last season. Her legs had quite pronounced muscles compared to her skinny body but now her legs are skinny too. Her head and shoulders are somewhat awkward at times and I hope she will improve. Other than that, I am glad she is healthy and continues to improve.

 

[skatenewbie]

i think Liza aiming for a layout like this

3A
3Lz-3T
3Lz
2A-3T
3Lo
3S-2T-2Lo
2A

so 7 triples. i dont know why she left out the 3F because in the past she didnt have any problems with it and she had correct edge too. Maybe she felt less confidence so she prefer to do 2A instead? its only difference of 2 point anyway between 3F and 2A... i really hope she can put that 3Lz-3T soo though! Or if she can't she could do a 2A-3T again so like this

3A
3Lz-2T(-2Lo)
3Lz
2A-3T
2A-3T(-2T)
3Lo
3S

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

So does this mean Nastya will get two assignments? Her score here is notably higher than Tarusina’s, but Nastya’s consistency cannot compare to Tarusina.

 

[colormyworld240]

I agree, and I don't understand why her PCS and especially interpretation part is lower than Sherbakova who skates yet very junior-like.

Scherbakova has the best interpretation of all the junior ladies. Her musicality is unmatched. Interpretation is how you respond to the music, and she is on every note with movements and gestures that accent the music. I think what you mean is Tarakanova should have more skating skills, because she's faster than most and has good glide and edges.

 

[alvina9894]

But in her current layot where would you place it?
Right now they seem to aim to get 3l-3t once she get in her top shape.
And then, she won't be (and I cannot think of anyone who could) able to do two 3-3.

Replace one of the 2A with a 3F.