2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[typeyournamehere]

What's with all the Russian girls having like the longest hair ever? Is there a thing against cutting hair in Russia? They all look like mini Rapunzels. Has anyone ever seen the movie Room? Kinda depressing, but the part where the kid says his long hair is where all his strong is, yeah, that's what the Russian girls remind me of. Maybe that's the secret.

it's considered feminine i guess...

 

[hanca]

What's with all the Russian girls having like the longest hair ever? Is there a thing against cutting hair in Russia? They all look like mini Rapunzels. Has anyone ever seen the movie Room? Kinda depressing, but the part where the kid says his long hair is where all his strong is, yeah, that's what the Russian girls remind me of. Maybe that's the secret.

Is it only in Russia, though? The celebrities here are paying big money for hair extensions...

 

[moriel]

I’m more concerned about his workload. Next year if they don’t bring in any outside choreographers he’d be doing 15(! :shocked programs for the 5 seniors and at least 4 more for the 2 juniors girls, plus all the boys and younger kids. Even the most creative artist is going to run out of ideas sooner or later when dealing with that much.

Also, actually, that is not that much, if you think of it. He got 5 seniors to choreograph.
How many choreo Shae-Lynn or David Wilson do every season?

 

[MalAssada]

I would love to see Trusova rocking a bob, I think it would suit her amazingly, but I also greatly admire her current length.

 

[atsumiri]

no. it makes really interesting and difficult programs. not boring. memorable. These programs do feel more self-contained, monolithic.
Where element goes after element, and there are beautiful and difficult elements going in and out of almost every jump.
the time flew by .... really fast.
These programs just look more pleasant, it looks more like a real show.
It's not physically easy to skate such programs. Skater have to be technically skilled and phisycally ready in order to pull it off.

 

[moriel]

She had shown time and time again she is capable of holding to her poses.

I wish jzdges started rewarding creativity and grace over evrrything and a kitchen sink.... the Eteri programs are starting to look like ADHD kid on pixie sticks dancing to diferent music.

I dont recall the part in Carmen where she got so manic and fidgety she couldnt stay still for one microsecond. It makes the programs less mature in the end.

I think it is a matter of taste, honestly.
For example, I love busy programs, and find empty programs boring, so Eteri style is perfect for me and I am very happy it is rewarded.

 

[Ziotic]

no. it makes really interesting and difficult programs. not boring. memorable. These programs do feel more self-contained, monolithic.
Where element goes after element, and there are beautiful and difficult elements going in and out of almost every jump.
the time flew by .... really fast.
These programs just look more pleasant, it looks more like a real show.
It's not physically easy to skate such programs. Skater have to be technically skilled and phisycally ready in order to pull it off.

What makes you believe a lot of movement occurring rapidly is more difficult then sustaining difficult positions on proper edges with good speed?

I don’t find anything memorable about Alina’s program other than the horrible POTO cuts, and I doubt that’s how they want the program to be remembered.
I also don’t believe they are more pleasing to watch as to me it appears as though her skating skills are too weak to properly execute sustained movement.

I so miss the days off beautifully deep edged well sustained spiral sequences.

 

[sweetice]

Sometimes that question about the quantity of movements seem a generational one. Youngest vs oldest audience, rhythm vs elegance.

 

[plushyfan]

What makes you believe a lot of movement occurring rapidly is more difficult then sustaining difficult positions on proper edges with good speed?

I don’t find anything memorable about Alina’s program other than the horrible POTO cuts, and I doubt that’s how they want the program to be remembered.
I also don’t believe they are more pleasing to watch as to me it appears as though her skating skills are too weak to properly execute sustained movement.

I so miss the days off beautifully deep edged well sustained spiral sequences.

hmmm..the "skating skills" theme is here again... I can't see why some posters say she has weak SS. She is fast, can turn, she has flow,etc, she has great spins, jumps and very difficult programs in general...I'm saying again the SS theme is used by those posters who don't like the actual skater...

 

[moriel]

Sometimes that question about the quantity of movements seem a generational one. Youngest vs oldest audience, rhythm vs elegance.

Yep, something related to when each person started watching FS.
I personally started watching a lot after 2014 (before that, would watch whenever it was shown on TV and thats it), because the Yuna x Adelina scandal was so big that I decided to go and check what the hell is going on and why are people going so crazy about it. Then started reading forums, then started getting links to live broadcasts, then... Here I am, watching CS instead of sleeping.

I never really understood the pre-2014 style programs - Yuna, Caro are just not my thing, I dont see the beauty in it and find it boring.

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hmmm..the "skating skills" theme is here again... I can't see why some posters say she has weak SS. She is fast, can turn, she has flow,etc, she has great spins, jumps and very difficult programs in general...I'm saying again the SS theme is used by those posters who don't like the actual skater...

Someone got to bring that obstacle video again.
If that is bad SS, I wanna watch someone with good SS doing it.

 

[madison]

hmmm..the "skating skills" theme is here again... I can't see why some posters say she has weak SS. She is fast, can turn, she has flow,etc, she has great spins, jumps and very difficult programs in general...I'm saying again the SS theme is used by those posters who don't like the actual skater...

She has bad skating skills, she doesn't gain speed easily, without effort, therefore she has to bend, that's why she has bad posture.
It is even visible if you compare Alina's gliding with the Japanese for example or Kostornaya.

 

[atsumiri]

I so miss the days off beautifully deep edged well sustained spiral sequences.

nah...
I definitely don't miss it:
" intro, lap around the ice, long setup skating two-footed across the icerink, jump, setup, jump, crossover, setup, jump, some hands wigglings, step-sequence, crossover, jump, setup, jump, spins, setup, jump, chore-sequence, setup, jump and final spins."

 

[VenusHalley]

nah...
I definitely don't miss it:
" intro, lap around the ice, long setup skating two-footed across the icerink, jump, setup, jump, crossover, setup, jump, some hands wigglings, step-sequence, crossover, jump, setup, jump, spins, setup, jump, chore-sequence, setup, jump and final spins."

How are randomly thrown in transitions for sake of milking the system any better?
how is not having enough time to finish the pose and rushing things better?

 

[plushyfan]

She has bad skating skills, she doesn't gain speed easily, therefore she has to bend, that's why she has bad posture.
It is even visible if you compare Alina's gliding with the Japanese for example or Kostornaya.

I don't believe any poster is greater expert here as all of the judges from different countries they gave her high scores. The SS theme is fake argument.

 

[madison]

I don't believe any poster is greater expert here as all of the judges from different countries they gave him high scores. The SS theme is fake argument.

Him? Let's be clear, I was talking about Zagitova.
Judges don't really care about the SS if the skater hits the jumps and has reputation.

 

[plushyfan]

How are randomly thrown in transitions for sake of milking the system any better?
how is not having enough time to finish the pose and rushing things better?

I also don't like the too busy programs in general. Probably you know about me because I wrote many times. I just want to ask when Evgenia had "Eteri styled" programs didn't you like those, too?

 

[atsumiri]

How are randomly thrown in transitions for sake of milking the system any better?
how is not having enough time to finish the pose and rushing things better?

not randomly. purposely in the music.
Because it is better. And it's more complex. It's look like uninterrupted art piece. beautiful and interesting. And I find all poses totally fine and finished. and more important difficult and tecnical.

btw You can't seriously think that two-foot skating with just jump-setups and some hands wigglings are more complex. that isn't even funny.

 

[plushyfan]

Him? Let's be clear, I was talking about Zagitova.

Judges don't really care about the SS if the skater hits the jumps and has reputation.

Yes, I talked about her. Sorry, I corrected it. If this is true why we need to care about the SS? Some posters want to set the criteria instead of ISU? But do you know what is funny? I read many times here how much overscored Evgenia is...

 

[madison]

not randomly. purposely in the music.
Because it is better. And it's more complex. It's look like uninterrupted art piece. beautiful and interesting. And I find all poses totally fine and finished. and more important difficult and tecnical.

btw You can't seriously think that two-foot skating with just jump-setups and some hands wigglings are more complex. that isn't even funny.

It's definitely more complex and difficult. The skaters need to have the tech capabilites to do that. For example, Kostornaya managed that in the short program.
But most of the perfomances end up as being chaotic and rushed.

 

[madison]

Yes, I talked about her. Sorry, I corrected it. If this is true why we need to care about the SS? Some posters want to set the criteria instead of ISU? But do you know what is funny? I read many times here how much overscored Evgenia is...

She was overscored in her dominance era and the judges left her during the Olympics.. instead of helping her to develop and grow when it was the case (by giving the right feedback)). Probably, the same will happen with Zagitova.:shocked:
I care about the SS because they are essential for having a good program and performance.