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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

?? Wow, wow, no need to be so harsh. I saw Kanysheva live in Austria and both my mum and my friend who know next to nothing about skating noted that she was special, wonderful and really graceful on the ice. Vasilieva and Kanysheva are very different skating wise. Vasilieva has a raw quality to her that isn‘t polished yet at all but could grow into something powerful. Kanysheva however is very graceful, more calm and to some who prefer the powerful approach (a la Trusova and Vasilieva) she could seem boring. Her PCS however, are in no way undeserved because whether one personally enjoys her skating is a matter of PREFERENCE nothing else.

And also: No offense but... Tarusina isn’t exactly a big jumper either. And Kanysheva - in comparison - has higher jumps.

Also, Tarusina is more mature, yes, I agree with that. But she‘s also two years older so that‘s probably only natural. Alena is only 13 and there is always a difference between a 13 and a 15 year old. So, she obviously has time to grow artistically.

Both girls have been very consistent so far and I hope it continues to be this way.


I did not mean to upset anyone. I should be fully transparent that I am a huge fan of Tarusina. She is my favorite junior non-Eteri girl. Ever since she got in that bus accident and was able to bounce back and become as consistent as she is I have been in her corner because I just think that is so admirable. I seriously think she is the most consistent Russian lady aside from Trusova who falls only ever on quads and can fall on them and then come back and do a perfect quad and then 3L+3Lo, and maybe Zagitova too since I think we can forgive Worlds. Anna was so cute on Instagram Live after Bratislava eating all that food in the hotel the morning after the event. It was funny but kind of sad how excited she was about being able to enjoy those two tiny packets of Nutella since her coach wasn't there. I love her so much and I want her to slay at every event.

I like Kanysheva and I wish her well, but I do think Tarusina is better. It is kind of funny to me that people ask "have you seen Anna's jumps?" in response to what I said about Kanysheva. I think both girls have small jumps, but I felt that a couple of Kanysheva's jumps were UR at Austria and not called. Also to me the fact that Kanysheva got a higher score at her first event doesn't necessarily mean she is the better skater. Anna's score was low due to an invalid spin, which was the coach's fault not hers.

So Vika's score last week made me ragey and Tarusina coming in second to Kawabata sent me over the edge(only the ISU's anti-all Russian final dreams was that combo NOT under!) Then I come on here and people are essentially saying well Kanysheva would have beaten her. In my opinion no, they would have held her down too. This isn't Anna's fault. She went out there and killed it. Same for Vasilieva -- cleanest free from a non Eteri (yes I'm conceding Vasilieva was better than my girl) and they give her 118 like this is a joke. Un-freaking-real. :palmf:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about who is better, and I have seen enough discussions on here in my 13 years of lurking to know it can go round and round (and round....lol). But Tarusina and Kanysheva were being compared here early on since they were the first two silver medalists and I have gotten the impression that it is more about the scores than the skating. I just feel something when I see Anna skate that I have a hard time describing, and an equally hard time understanding how others cannot feel this. Yes she needs to work on the height of her jumps but the spins, StSq, transitions.....she has it ALL. She is charming and yet sooo mature. When the music gets faster and she hits the 3L+3T, arms go UP. Soooooo perfect. She comes around and does the 3F and the arms go IN. Then by the end of her StSq the ice is practically on fire. She draws me in and I cannot take my eyes off her. I get this feeling from Trusova, Shcherbakova, and Kostornaia and I think a lot of people would agree here. Although Kanysheva is very good I don't feel this way when I watch her yet and after so many comments comparing the two over the past few weeks I could not keep my mouth shut any longer. I understand that there are fans here who feel this way about Alena and although I cannot agree I want to be fair to her and to everyone. I see loads of potential in this young lady. Ultimately I am content that they both got second assignments after all this, though I am gutted for Vasilieva.

Did you guys see Anna's smile at the end of her free in Bratislava and how happy she was in the KnC before the spin of doom was realized. How beautiful and sweet is this girl? If she loses today I literally will cry. And I'm scared for Tarakanova too. :hopelessness:
 
To be fair Kawabata has no chance of making the final even if she wins. As long as the russians end up on the podium (i have a hard time seing that not happen) the best placed of them will make the final.

The other japanese lady would make the final if she won. But that doesnt seam verry likely either at the moment
 
I just don't think Tuk is good enough. Her entry into the 3A was crawling to almost a standstill. I still don't get her scores and her spins are pretty mediocre. Yes she has 3A and textbook jumps but they aren't that high nor cover much distance. She's always been a question mark to me.

They do cover distance, Elizaveta's 3lutz is bigger in both height and distance than Zagitova's 3lutz and most of the russians.

The two real problems Liza has are transitions and skating skills: the first one i bet it's because of Mishin, the second she can hide it with good performance qualities trying to engage the audience and this year like 4 years ago she has programs that can allow that.

Spins are improved this season, still nothing groundbreaking but at least she's getting the level 4 on the flying sit spin and the layback.
 
She is amazing. Russia has no shortage of girls talent.

How many Russian girls are competing at the Japan Open? I know Zagitova is skating very well but I never hear of anyone else if Medvedeva isn't there.

Maria Sotskova will be there too, if I'm not mistaken
 
Sotskova was a mess at Japan Open.

Zagitova performed better than at Nebelhorn, she's looking absolutely fantastic. Though she does not have the maturity (in my mind) to portray Carmen very well. I compare her to Stolbova's interpretation from last season.
 
I just don't think Tuk is good enough. Her entry into the 3A was crawling to almost a standstill. I still don't get her scores and her spins are pretty mediocre. Yes she has 3A and textbook jumps but they aren't that high nor cover much distance. She's always been a question mark to me.

I definitely don't think she has a very good 3A. Even at its best, it's never been as good as Asada's best attempts, and not even close to Ito's. Her 3Lz and 3S, however, do cover good distance and have good height. Her 3F isn't that great, though.

The bigger question mark when it comes to Tukt's jumps is why she's never had been able to gain more consistent 3-3s. For someone who's praised for her quality of jumping, it's quite odd. She really doesn't get too much outflow out of her 3Lz (or didn't use to), which probably affects her ability there. Very odd.

Her spins, skating skills, and transitions are indeed weaker areas for her. I do think she's somewhat improved in those three areas since 2015 WCs, but not too much. She's still a very lively skater, so she can perform well and hold the audience's attention while she's skating.
 
Did Stepanova/Bukin get level 1 on their twizzles? Was I reading the judges scores correctly? I can't seem to understand why. I also did not understand why they got such a high PCS compared to S/D from Spain, or S/S from Russia.
 
Sooo...

Polina Tsurskaya is now struggling with UR big time, so her jumping technique is no longer rewarded by the judges.

Masha Sotskova was a mess at Test Skates and JO.

Elena Radionova -> bless.

Gubanova is doing okay at domestic competitions, no huge scores or big successes but at least not a splatfest.

What are you doing, CSKA?
 
I just don't think Tuk is good enough. Her entry into the 3A was crawling to almost a standstill. I still don't get her scores and her spins are pretty mediocre. Yes she has 3A and textbook jumps but they aren't that high nor cover much distance. She's always been a question mark to me.

Who else is there for the 3rd spot, though?
 
Sooo...

Polina Tsurskaya is now struggling with UR big time, so her jumping technique is no longer rewarded by the judges.

Masha Sotskova was a mess at Test Skates and JO.

Elena Radionova -> bless.

Gubanova is doing okay at domestic competitions, no huge scores or big successes but at least not a splatfest.

What are you doing, CSKA?

And level issues for prety much all of Buianova's skaters, it seems like.
 
Sooo...

Polina Tsurskaya is now struggling with UR big time, so her jumping technique is no longer rewarded by the judges.

Masha Sotskova was a mess at Test Skates and JO.

Elena Radionova -> bless.

Gubanova is doing okay at domestic competitions, no huge scores or big successes but at least not a splatfest.

What are you doing, CSKA?

So... Gubanova is doing the best out of Buyanova skaters so far? Who would have thought at the beginning of the season... Makes me a mix of angry and sad, though. I love, love, love Polina and was rooting for her to get the Russian #3 spot this season and go to Worlds. Doesn't Buyanova have any technical specialist??
 
Sooo...

Polina Tsurskaya is now struggling with UR big time, so her jumping technique is no longer rewarded by the judges.

Masha Sotskova was a mess at Test Skates and JO.

Elena Radionova -> bless.

Gubanova is doing okay at domestic competitions, no huge scores or big successes but at least not a splatfest.

What are you doing, CSKA?

honestly though, how tall is Masha going to get?

Masha was slow at JO, I far preferred her test skate performance of “Summertime” even with the falls. But then again she has like a month and a half until her first international assignment and if she uses the time correctly maybe she could be a little more consistent. I don’t understand why Buyanova would make Masha change her beautiful combination with the half-biellmann at the end. It was absolutely beautiful, and it also ensured level 4. Her new spins are honestly getting even slower, and the only one that’s not an abomination to watch is the layback spin. And I’m a Masha fan. Or maybe Masha got too tired of peaking early in the season and decided to do terribly first and improve along the way.

About Polina... poor girl, I get that Eteri’s style wasn’t to her liking but Buyanova is not helping her at all! Level 2 StSq? Her jumps still look beautiful of course, but oh those URs...

Nastya is also being held back I believe. Her SP this season is simply put.. not good. Her FS is an improvement but I far prefer last years programs. I feel like these programs don’t bring out her elegance and her gentle arms.

I like Elena’s FS a lot, but I do not enjoy her SP at all. I’m really hoping she can improve over the season, because the level she is at right now will not make do for the third Russian spot.

Honestly though, Buyanova literally has done nothing for any of her students. Why do people keep on coming to her?
 
Alina was amazing at Japan Open with a huge score beating some of the boys there was WOW, Maria again was a disappointment the heck i should have sent Tuktamysheva.
 
My thought on Masha... She got into university this year and, unlike many girls and boys, it is an actual university.
Chances are there is a priority change
 
Well... if tarankova is trying in public practice pre competition a 4 ... that means that she already can land the 4 in trainning ... so it just a matter of time to put in the programs

finally someone with sense.
not the she's ur-ing it's not even close trash talk, so sick of it.
 
and honestly, shcherbakova is so much more talented than trusova
i don't know why people consider trusova the jumping prodigy while shcherbakova is like the second-tier jumper
seriously? she landed a clean 4T like half a year before we saw a clean quad from trusova
and her quad lutz is clean right from the first vid, unlike trusova who's always posting ur-ed quads to gain attention
 
Well, I disagree. I love them both.

In case you people didnt notice, Shcherbakova just landed two 4Lz, one in combination at a domestic competition. Second quad should have been UR but still
 
More than 159 points for Anna Scherbakova at the Russian cup with two 4Lz. Someone wants to challenge Trusova :), amazing.
 
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