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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

That forum hasn't changed at all. Are you on mobile view?

No, but his response made me check my browser in detail, and it seems that for some reason I was in editor mode of the forum template, something very strange. I already visualize it normal.

Another question: does anyone know what time Trusova and Shcherbakova skate in the 4th stage of the russian nationals?
 
I am just curious about the methodology.
How does the height of a jump calculated? Based on competition?
Rotation I believe can be measured with recorded videos more accurately, but height...

I think this would be better off in that thread.... I’m more leery of the max rotational speed info they present, honestly, and somewhat of the delay. I think ultimately all those statistics are interesting but I think none of them are hugely accurate or reliable, not just the height. If would work so much better with very high frame rates and you don’t get those with competition videos.

You get height from airtime: frames in the air/frames per second, and then they do pretty basic high school physics to calculate the height based on airtime and downward gravitational acceleration. It’s not at all perfect, because of video lag and missing frames, and it’s a little bit arbitrary when to decide if they’re airborne or not sometimes based on the angle making it hard to see, or if that moment just wasn’t captured, and even just half a frame difference makes a not-insignificant difference. And it ignores things like ankle flexion, toe point, air resistance, etc. Even using their same methods I get consistently different results, although they tend to cluster mostly the same.

But it provides some interesting relative information for fans, I guess. For instance, Ye-Lim Kim has the ability to do a consistently higher 2A than other junior ladies, regardless of exactly how high it is, and you know if you want to see what a particular high axel looks like, or what a middle of the pack axel looks like, or a low one, that there are examples you can go to and benchmark against. Similarly Trusova does higher +3Lo and +3S than others; Kostornaia does generally the highest +3Ts, etc.
 
I am just curious about the methodology.
How does the height of a jump calculated? Based on competition?
Rotation I believe can be measured with recorded videos more accurately, but height...

Briefly, the calculations are based on the kinematic equations. More specifically on their simple form that we learn even in school physics. The results are quite good and close the real values.

So you consider the body to be a point mass (the center of mass of the skater). When the skater jumps his center of mass is doing a parabolic trajectory. This comes from the kinematics laws. In this trajectory the skater at some point is reaching his maximum height, let's call it H.

In kinematics, there is the law of the independent component of movement. So if the body is moving in the horizontal direction (the distance that is covered on the ice in his jump direction) and vertical the (the vertical move to reach his higher point of jump). You can consider the jump as a composition of this two movements.

Since this two movements can be considered independently we consider that the skater is just doing a straight vertical jump.

When the skater is in his higher point (H cm above the ice) he starts to fall. This fall we approximate it as free fall. The free fall equation is:

H = g x (t^2)/2 where is g is the gravity acceleration 980 cm/sec^2 , t is the time that is takes for the fall.

Because of the symmetry of the parabolic trajectory, we also consider that the time that it takes to skater to reach his higher point is the same as the time for the fall from the heighest piont to ice.

So we can calculate this time. You go by frame by frame and you check when the skater leaves the ice and when he is reaching the ice again, lets that time be T. Half of this time is for the fall (T/2). Now you use the formula above and you have

H = g x ((T/2)^2)/2 = g x (T^2)/8

and you find the desired height of the jump :biggrin:.

It's very simplistic approximation of the body movement but it works relatively good.
 
If you only have a picture, you can calculate the height with a simple proportion using the skater's height (you can find it on ISU bios or Google) and the distance to the ground.
Of course is not as precise as the equation but still gives you an idea.
 
I really want to see Evgeina with Shae-lynn. Marin's Seven Nations Army by Shae-Lynn is very intricate and has become my fav program from Marin.
What surprised this season is how misfitting Evgenia looks in her programs. With her programs previous competitive programs and exhibitions, I believed Evgenia is a true artist and she can interpret any music, but it turned it's more of Eteri's packaging.

Shae-lynn is a very talented choreographer who has put together very beautiful and unique programs in the past. What makes her even more special is her ability to not just put together programs, but tailor them to the individual's strengths and style. Like Radionova's Gershwin and other non Russian ladies. She has a keen eye for using what she's given. I'd love to see her do programs for Alina, Evgenia, and other Russian ladies. Most notably Dasha and Masha who don't seem to be getting programs that fit them and highlight their strengths.
 
probably Sotskova is never making the Worlds team again.
so who will be the last to make it to Worlds along with Zagitova and Tuk

will it be Med who is struggling / flop transfer or Sofia Samodurova ?

but then Medvedeva also struggled in 2013 junior season and still made the russian team as the 3rd skater
so she still has a chance this season. Next year will be different with Trusova, Tarakanova and Kostornaia going seniors

Scherbakova will brobably stay juniors as she needs more stability and fix her quad flutz ?
 
nice dream but not going to happen. :sarcasm:
Anna doesn't need to fix anything. Just because you "wish" it - doesn't make it so. ;)
 
As an outsider, I don't understand who this 'russian Junior girls = flutz' myth is about?

Kanysheva has about the best edge possible.

Trusova = decent.

Shcherbakova/Kostornaia = imho never inside, but (if they do not focus?) sometimes flat and deserved '!'

Am I blind or who am I missing?!

(Some people even write Alina has a wrong edge when at most she is getting close to flat. Like seriously what? So many discussions about Zhenya's lutz that now everybody has a flutz for whatever reason... I am waiting for Tuktamysheva)
 
nice dream but not going to happen. :sarcasm:
Anna doesn't need to fix anything. Just because you "wish" it - doesn't make it so. ;)

Scherbakova is an updated prototype of Med, not good news there. One of them will miss out next olympics season.
It will be interesting next season as the whole russian no.3 switching will be nullified, I'm not counting out Medvedeva yet as Tuk has displayed but she will need
to be consistent next season to compete with Zagitova, Trusova, Kostornaia, Tarakanova, Tuk, Samodurova.

she has to improve or else she's going the Sotskova, Radionova way...
 
As an outsider, I don't understand who this 'russian Junior girls = flutz' myth is about?

Kanysheva has about the best edge possible.

Trusova = decent.

Shcherbakova/Kostornaia = imho never inside, but (if they do not focus?) sometimes flat and deserved '!'

Am I blind or who am I missing?!

(Some people even write Alina has a wrong edge when at most she is getting close to flat. Like seriously what? So many discussions about Zhenya's lutz that now everybody has a flutz for whatever reason... I am waiting for Tuktamysheva)

I think its a coaching or detractors way to lump skaters like saying Eteris skaters all prerotate, which is not true at all.
I agree Kanysheva has solid jumps, she has tight air position even on jumps like lutz and her skating skills is one of the best along with Kostornaias
lets hope when she grows she wont have under rotation issues like Sotskova, Panova skaters tend to be taller.
 
Scherbakova is an updated prototype of Med, not good news there. One of them will miss out next olympics season.
It will be interesting next season as the whole russian no.3 switching will be nullified, I'm not counting out Medvedeva yet as Tuk has displayed but she will need
to be consistent next season to compete with Zagitova, Trusova, Kostornaia, Tarakanova, Tuk, Samodurova.

she has to improve or else she's going the Sotskova, Radionova way...

I feel like Tuk actually has quite a chance, and she's been excelling in every competition until now. Sotskova looks not that good, but I guess with her university stuff it's a bit much. Radionova, I might be a bit biased, but I know she is not looking good this season, I do feel like people need to take into account that she has lost quite a good friend of hers and like she and Denis were quite close(she even was the only figure skater, I believe to attend the ceremony) so I feel like that's why she is not as good prepared
 
Russia's orginal wondergirl is not having a good season so far. A very bad season rather.

If you know FS history then you know who I'm talking about.
 
but then Medvedeva also struggled in 2013 junior season and still made the russian team as the 3rd skater
so she still has a chance this season.

Mevdedeva placed 4th at 2014 Junior Nationals... she made the Junior Worlds team because Sotskova was injured and she was the first alternate
 
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