2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Fluture]

I think she should be very careful with her choise of words. There were like a dosen ways to say she wants to feel at home in Toronto. IDK she choosed this awkward and controversial way to say it. Like as if her Motherland is where her slippers are (I'm exagerating but this how it sound to many many people in Russia).

P.S. The only exuse I can find is a lack of knowledge in English language. Other than that is sounds like I said above.

Idk but I see nothing controversial about it, personally. Maybe Russians are just exaggerating with their national pride and everything. In no other country I‘ve seen a fuss made about something as simple as training abroad. Loads of skaters do. Does Yuzu ever get criticized for it? No. Because he brings medals home for Japan. Nothing else should matter.

 

[esteticlove]

Yeah, people don't want her to train abroad but except from her to express herself perfectly in a foreign language

 

[Fluture]

Yeah, people don't want her to train abroad but except from her to express herself perfectly in a foreign language

Yeah and that‘s just ridiculous. She‘s just given an entire interview in English. How many of us could really do an interview like that in fluid English? Of course she might struggle to find the right words, that‘s a foreign language to her and it‘s not like she‘s got all the time to study it since she‘s basically on the ice most of the day. Her English‘s amazing already (which people don‘t seem to see. It’s always the bad things that they care about...) but she won‘t always know exactly how to express things 100% like she meant them. That‘s only natural.

 

[Grin]

Idk but I see nothing controversial about it, personally. Maybe Russians are just exaggerating with their national pride and everything. In no other country I‘ve seen a fuss made about something as simple as training abroad. Loads of skaters do. Does Yuzu ever get criticized for it? No. Because he brings medals home for Japan. Nothing else should matter.

The thing is many are in doubt which side to choose (Evgenia or Eteri). I think after this interview the rest of those who in doubt will choose Eteri. Wrong place and wrong time to say her home is Canada now.

 

[Shayuki]

The thing is many are in doubt which side to choose (Evgenia or Eteri). I think after this interview the rest of those who in doubt will choose Eteri. Wrong place and wrong time to say her home is Canada now.

Yeah... Whether one personally thinks it is or isn't a problem that she said such a thing, I really don't think it was a good idea to say something like that.

 

[Fluture]

The thing is many are in doubt which side to choose (Evgenia or Eteri). I think after this interview the rest of those who in doubt will choose Eteri. Wrong place and wrong time to say her home is Canada now.

Well, that‘s fine then, let them take Eteri‘s side. It doesn‘t matter, really, does it? This whole „who did what who said what who‘s the bad one?“ is really out of place. They were together for eleven years and regardless of what happened, they should move on and be grateful to each other because really, none of them would have been the way they are now hadn‘t it been for the other one. So I don‘t get this hate, not for Evgenia and not for Eteri. Obviously if a situation like this happens, both sides are somehow at fault, not only one. So taking sides and talking badly about one of them while empowering the other - it‘s just dumb. Because we‘ll never know what exactly happened anyway. So the only thing we do is make guesses and honestly: my time‘s too precious for that. I don‘t care what happened. Zhenya‘s in Canada now and that‘s what interesting. Or what programs Alina will get. What will happen to Russian #3 spot. How Elena and Anna are doing. Who‘s going to take over the lead in juniors: Anna, Alena or Sasha? Not what someone said or didn‘t say or the way it was said and how it sounded and what Russians think about it.

 

[Grin]

Well, that‘s fine then, let them take Eteri‘s side. It doesn‘t matter, really, does it? This whole „who did what who said what who‘s the bad one?“ is really out of place. They were together for eleven years and regardless of what happened, they should move on and be grateful to each other because really, none of them would have been the way they are now hadn‘t it been for the other one. So I don‘t get this hate, not for Evgenia and not for Eteri. Obviously if a situation like this happens, both sides are somehow at fault, not only one. So taking sides and talking badly about one of them while empowering the other - it‘s just dumb. Because we‘ll never know what exactly happened anyway. So the only thing we do is make guesses and honestly: my time‘s too precious for that. I don‘t care what happened. Zhenya‘s in Canada now and that‘s what interesting. Or what programs Alina will get. What will happen to Russian #3 spot. How Elena and Anna are doing. Who‘s going to take over the lead in juniors: Anna, Alena or Sasha? Not what someone said or didn‘t say or the way it was said and how it sounded and what Russians think about it.

Well, skaters usually try to attract fans. Not to make controversial statements which can leave his/her fans in doubts. Anyway, let's move on.

 

[Lily flowers]

I think she should be very careful with her choise of words. There were like a dosen ways to say she wants to feel at home in Toronto. IDK she choosed this awkward and controversial way to say it. Like as if her Motherland is where her slippers are (I'm exagerating but this how it sound to many many people in Russia).

P.S. The only exuse I can find is a lack of knowledge in English language. Other than that is sounds like I said above.

To say that this is an exaggeration would be the understatement of the century.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Guys, can we stop fighting about Zhenya's choice of words and get back on topic to our wonderful skaters and the abundance of talented ladies we have the privilege of watching (Zhenya included) because I don't want this thread to turn into another hate-source; this place is already my haven in The Edge

 

[moriel]

While i think it is probably a language issue, I see how it will turn away many fans.

And it is not about russians being nationalistic. I am pretty sure that Canadian fans would be mildly upset if Osmond decided to train abroad and, when asked what she will miss about Canada, started her answer with "I never thought this is my home". Same goes for Yuzuru, his fans and Japan.

 

[Grin]

Guys, can we stop fighting about Zhenya's choice of words and get back on topic to our wonderful skaters and the abundance of talented ladies we have the privilege of watching (Zhenya included) because I don't want this thread to turn into another hate-source; this place is already my haven in The Edge

Dear Spirals, don't forget it's only an illusion of heaven. Real heaven is not here )

 

[Tolstoj]

While i think it is probably a language issue, I see how it will turn away many fans.

And it is not about russians being nationalistic. I am pretty sure that Canadian fans would be mildly upset if Osmond decided to train abroad and, when asked what she will miss about Canada, started her answer with "I never thought this is my home". Same goes for Yuzuru, his fans and Japan.

Are russians really upset by this? wow, seriously.

It's a very modern answer, and i'm actually happy it came from a russian, the world is our home, who cares which country you live in?

I would have not any problem if an italian athlete said this, she clearly said that although she's working abroad, she's still going to represent Russia.

 

[SnowWhite]

While i think it is probably a language issue, I see how it will turn away many fans.

And it is not about russians being nationalistic. I am pretty sure that Canadian fans would be mildly upset if Osmond decided to train abroad and, when asked what she will miss about Canada, started her answer with "I never thought this is my home". Same goes for Yuzuru, his fans and Japan.

Well, as a Canadian who loves Canada, if Kaetlyn said that home to her was where her close ones were, I wouldn't blink. That's an extremely common sentiment in Western culture. The expression "home is where the heart is," for example. Or in books/movies/TV a character will often say, after they meet someone and fall in love (or in other situations), that 'home isn't a place, it's being with the person/people that you love'. They might say this about family, close friends or a love interest. I can think of a particular Young Adult book that I read several years ago, where the female lead says that she's just realized that "home" for her has become the male lead that she's fallen for.

If she just said, "I never thought of Canada as my home", sure that would bother people. But if she said the full quote that Evgenia gave, well no, for me at least, I'd totally get that.

When I read Evgenia's full quote, it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Dmitryfromsiberia]

Are russians really upset by this? wow, seriously.

It's a very modern answer, and i'm actually happy it came from a russian, the world is our home, who cares which country you live in?

I would have not any problem if an italian athlete said this, she clearly said that although she's working abroad, she's still going to represent Russia.

Russian language is very diverse. It is also difficult for me to formulate my thoughts and write them in English. So I don't write big messages here. The meaning of the message in English may be different from what a person could say in Russian.

It is necessary to read the interview Zhenya completely, not in separate sentences, only then you can understand what she wanted to say. She loves her country.

 

[dante]

Russian language is very diverse. It is also difficult for me to formulate my thoughts and write them in English. So I don't write big messages here. The meaning of the message in English may be different from what a person could say in Russian.

Was just thinking about it, you need not just to translate a phrase to another language, you need to think the same thought in this language and formulate it from scratch. (Still under huge impression from "Arrival" and "The Story of Your Life".)

It's too early to expect Evgenia to properly express in English all the connotations and other nuances of speech.

 

[LucyH]

Are russians really upset by this? wow, seriously.

It's a very modern answer, and i'm actually happy it came from a russian, the world is our home, who cares which country you live in?

I would have not any problem if an italian athlete said this, she clearly said that although she's working abroad, she's still going to represent Russia.

Isn't it though? I'm Canadian and I would have no problem if one of the Canadian athletes said home is where the heart is (heart being family / close friends). We should all have a more world centric view

 

[plushyfan]

I think the difference with Yagudin is that at that time Russia's relations with the West were not as they are now. Now we are a kind of new cold war (dialectically visceral) and many people in Russia, even true fans, do not like her to go to an "enemy" country for them like Canada, with which Russia has burned (Canada too ) all bridges

People watch on TV the PM of Canada asking for new sanctions against Russia and in the sports section they watch (“Breaking News, Zhenya is going to live in Canada"). What do you think is the first thought of some people?


I understand the sporting reasons for which he has left but we can not ignore the world situation.

In that time many Russians were angry on Yag, too.

 

[plushyfan]

Are russians really upset by this? wow, seriously.

It's a very modern answer, and i'm actually happy it came from a russian, the world is our home, who cares which country you live in?

I would have not any problem if an italian athlete said this, she clearly said that although she's working abroad, she's still going to represent Russia.

Don't you understand? You live in EU, the other posters live in a multicultural world, multicultural cities, they move many times in their life but not the Russians. I could tell this about my nation before the EU membership. Most of us lived there where we were born. This is totally unusual for the Russians.

 

[Azikin]

Guys, can we stop fighting about Zhenya's choice of words and get back on topic to our wonderful skaters and the abundance of talented ladies we have the privilege of watching (Zhenya included) because I don't want this thread to turn into another hate-source; this place is already my haven in The Edge

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[KiraraChin]

The thing is many are in doubt which side to choose (Evgenia or Eteri). I think after this interview the rest of those who in doubt will choose Eteri. Wrong place and wrong time to say her home is Canada now.

She didn't say her home is Canada now. Read the quote again.